Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

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The CFP expansion proposal will be put on the shelf for a time until all this gets sorted out, I agree. Right now the trust level between conferences has to be at an all-time low. We've gone from a highly regulated sport to laissez-faire almost overnight, and it will take some time to adjust, time to put some guardrails on the new normal.
 
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The CFP expansion proposal will be put on the shelf for a time until all this gets sorted out, I agree. Right now the trust level between conferences has to be at an all-time low. We've gone from a highly regulated sport to laissez-faire almost overnight, and it will take some time to adjust, time to put some guardrails on the new normal.

To your point - who votes for an expanded playoff here? Considering it just becomes (or will be used to become) a massive payout for the SEC. Even if Big10 is lucky, max they get is 2-3 playoff teams. Current Big 12 is going to be max 1. Dont see the Pac getting any more than 1. SEC goes from 2 in current environment to maybe 6.

I'd think no reason for any other conference to support this unless they want to push the SECs agenda.
 
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To your point - who votes for an expanded playoff here? Considering it just becomes (or will be used to become) a massive payout for the SEC. Even if Big10 is lucky, max they get is 2-3 playoff teams. Current Big 12 is going to be max 1. Dont see the Pac getting any more than 1. SEC goes from 2 in current environment to maybe 6.

I'd think no reason for any other conference to support this unless they want to push the SECs agenda.

8 teams is looking like the more sensible fallback here. Will need to guarantee the top G5 is included to get the votes probably, but this nips a lot of these conference shenanigans in the bud.

There is really no clear argument for 12 anyway, IMO.
 

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To your point - who votes for an expanded playoff here? Considering it just becomes (or will be used to become) a massive payout for the SEC. Even if Big10 is lucky, max they get is 2-3 playoff teams. Current Big 12 is going to be max 1. Dont see the Pac getting any more than 1. SEC goes from 2 in current environment to maybe 6.

I'd think no reason for any other conference to support this unless they want to push the SECs agenda.

Revenue distribution for the expanded CFP hasn't been discussed yet, so that might affect how the non-SEC conferences vote. However, ESPN presently owns the rights to the CFP, so of course they will be schilling for the SEC and ACC teams, so more revenue gets distrbuted to their real partners (in crime)...
 

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8 teams is looking like the more sensible fallback here. Will need to guarantee the top G5 is included to get the votes probably, but this nips a lot of these conference shenanigans in the bud.

There is really no clear argument for 12 anyway, IMO.

There'$ plenty of rea$on$ to $hift to 12 team$.
 

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I will die on the hill that says you don’t get in the playoff if you don’t win your conference, period. I don’t care if the SEC says a 1-loss Bama that didn’t make the conference championship game deserves a shot … they didn’t even win their division. How can you say a team not good enough to win their division should get a spot in a national championship playoff?

Conference championships should be a de facto first round playoff qualifier. You gotta win that to advance. Anybody who can’t do that, well, too bad, try again next year. You finished behind somebody in your conference, that means you weren’t as “good” as that team, what gives you the right to go to the playoff?

(I get that single-elimination conference play and playoff games don’t always end up with the “best” team winning. That‘s the nature of the design - you’re not finding the “best team in the country,” you’re crowning the “survivor of your playoff pool.” So if that’s how it works, instead of giving a conference loser a second shot at beating somebody, why not simply make it a tournament of conference champions? That makes $o much $en$e to me I can’t under$tand why everyone i$n’t on board …)
 

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The thing is that the majority of the SEC are the largest brand in football-ravenous states, even if their teams aren't that good. Even Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina are big TV draws to people in those states.

Vanderbilt and Mississippi State are the only two that are obviously not carrying their weight in terms of revenue production. I bet the SEC is waiting for its chance to add Clemson and Florida State (and maybe bid against the B1G for UNC and UVA, or settle for Virginia Tech and/or Miami) and it would be pretty funny to me if they just chucked those two out when they did so.
 

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I base it mostly of football and what have you done lately.

F tier: Vandy
D tier: Ol Miss, Miss St and Arkansas
C ter: Tenn, Missouri
B tier: Kentucky, South Carolina, Texas
A tier Auburn, Texas A&M, LSU, Oklahoma
S tier: Alabama Georgia Florida
 

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Not sure where else to put this, but ....



Pretty convenient that ESPN owns the entirety of the ACC media rights through 2035.

ESPN to ACC: If you let them go to the SEC and let them out of the GOR, we will maintain the per school payout. If you make a stink and claim their media rights, we will claim that the conference has materially changed and seek to lower the per school payout.
 
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Not sure where else to put this, but ....



The combined 20 (21 with Notre Dame) leftovers from the ACC and Big 12 could merge in this scenario. Imagine those 20-game hoops schedules where we play Kansas, Syracuse, Duke, UNC, Louisville, Virginia every year.

More likely the B1G would swoop in and poach UNC and UVA at a minimum in this scenario.
 

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I will die on the hill that says you don’t get in the playoff if you don’t win your conference, period. I don’t care if the SEC says a 1-loss Bama that didn’t make the conference championship game deserves a shot … they didn’t even win their division. How can you say a team not good enough to win their division should get a spot in a national championship playoff?

Conference championships should be a de facto first round playoff qualifier. You gotta win that to advance. Anybody who can’t do that, well, too bad, try again next year. You finished behind somebody in your conference, that means you weren’t as “good” as that team, what gives you the right to go to the playoff?

(I get that single-elimination conference play and playoff games don’t always end up with the “best” team winning. That‘s the nature of the design - you’re not finding the “best team in the country,” you’re crowning the “survivor of your playoff pool.” So if that’s how it works, instead of giving a conference loser a second shot at beating somebody, why not simply make it a tournament of conference champions? That makes $o much $en$e to me I can’t under$tand why everyone i$n’t on board …)
I agree, and if those schools don't like it, then they shouldn't have voted to expand their leagues with more teams. The best way to do this is seven 10 team regional leagues. That means 7 conference champions and you have a better shot if it is one out of 10 teams compared to 1/14 or 1/16.
 

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The combined 20 leftovers from the ACC and Big 12 could merge in this scenario. Imagine those 19-game hoops schedules where we play Kansas, Syracuse, Duke, UNC, Louisville, Virginia every year.

More likely the B1G would swoop in and poach UNC and UVA at a minimum in this scenario.
Or does Clemson and FSU to the SEC enough for ND to finally bite the bullet and go to the B10 w UNC?
There’s a ton of dead weight in the ACC in terms of football value.
 

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Pretty convenient that ESPN owns the entirety of the ACC media rights through 2035.

ESPN to ACC: If you let them go to the SEC and let them out of the GOR, we will maintain the per school payout. If you make a stink and claim their media rights, we will claim that the conference has materially changed and seek to lower the per school payout.
Those are monopolistic practices. When did our government lose their backbone for stopping these bad for business practices?
 
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Or does Clemson and FSU to the SEC enough for ND to finally bite the bullet and go to the B10 w UNC?
There’s a ton of dead weight in the ACC in terms of football value.

Clemson and FSU to the SEC, then the B1G adds Virginia and UNC in the fallout. There are 18 Big 12 and ACC leftovers. Maybe all 18 merge; more likely to me is 2 to 4 of the least valuable get left out (sorry to Wake Forest) and it results in a 14-16 school conference in the clear second tier of college athletics behind the SEC and B1G.

Notre Dame stays independent but keeps its basketball parked in this new Big 12/ACC merger with Kansas, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse.

If the B1G later comes calling at the Pac-12's moneymakers, their leftovers have nowhere to go geographically and they would not be attractive enough to peel off any Big 12-ACC merger schools. They would have to try to elevate some Mtn West programs like Boise State, UNLV, Colorado State to try to continue scraping by.
 

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