Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

[BCClone]

I believe this is a clueless post. The goal will be to have an athletic program that's robust and financially stable. Spending a lot of money needlessly is hardly an admirable objective. Olympic sports are going to take a major hit if this plays out as ESPN has it designed for football.

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Think he is talking about the revenue side.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

I believe this is a clueless post. The goal will be to have an athletic program that's robust and financially stable. Spending a lot of money needlessly is hardly an admirable objective. Olympic sports are going to take a major hit if this plays out as ESPN has it designed for football.

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You’ve clearly never been in a meeting with an athletics director where real decisions are made.

 

[surly]

You’ve clearly never been in a meeting with an athletics director where real decisions are made.

No, but I've run businesses at Chevron bigger than any of these from a revenue perspective and the goal was never to maximize revenue. More and more, our athletic departments are turning into commercial operations with less and less emphasis on an academic mission.

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

No, but I've run businesses at Chevron bigger than any of these from a revenue perspective and the goal was never to maximize revenue. More and more, our athletic departments are turning into commercial operations with less emphasis on an academic mission.

Don't brag about your revenue when you're arguing against revenue my guy

 

[surly]

Don't brag about your revenue when you're arguing against revenue my guy

It wasn't my revenue. The post was absurd.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

No, but I've run businesses at Chevron bigger than any of these from a revenue perspective and the goal was never to maximize revenue.

Businesses have expenses that factor into how profits are realized from revenue that aren’t at play in college athletics. Your expenses are your coaches, the travel for your teams, the AD administrators, and whatever capital improvements you can afford. That’s it. College athletics are not like businesses in that way. You wanna pull in as much revenue as you can, always. And Big 12 programs used to existing on 100M budgets are going to try to keep that number as high as possible above all else. That’s why it’s interesting there are four G5 schools a cut above all others in AD budget size. They are as close to plug and play as possible. That will be a big factor in who gets an invite.

 

[JM4CY]

I believe this is a clueless post. The goal will be to have an athletic program that's robust and financially stable. Spending a lot of money needlessly is hardly an admirable objective. Olympic sports are going to take a major hit if this plays out as ESPN has it designed for football.

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[Cloneon]

Some sort of split from the NCAA has been rumored for years. The group will probably form their own governance board, hence my suggestion that academics will be an afterthought.

That may be, but it's still NON-existent. And is not as easy to implement as people might think. It's one thing to put it on paper, but a valid voting system needs to be in place, compliance needs to be in place, and penalties need to be enforced independent of Uncle Sam. As much as we like to bash the NCAA, they are an invaluable entity to the very model trying to destroy it.

So, NIL chaos will ensue. Big deal. The smart athletes are still going for an education. The elite athletes, as perceived by ranking services, will get their money early, but STILL have to prove it on the field. Otherwise, bye bye NFL. Hence the BS Oklahoma news release about AAU status.

 

[19210]

The SEC isn't done. They won't be a part of the NCAA so the playoff that we all know will no longer exist. SEC wants to be in a league of their own with as many of the big schools they can get. So they can have their own playoff and championship game and keep all the revenue to themselves. The rest of us not in the power league will have to be creative or come up with a newly structured league. Which would allow for better geographic conferences or divisions and have our own version of a playoff. We will just need to wait to see how it all plays out and if Ohio State, Michigan, ND, Clemson, and whoever else the SEC believes is worthy of an invite accepts the invite. It may not happen right away, but pretty confident as the other GOR come to an end the dominos will continue to fall. But college athletics as we know it is never going to be the same. As most know the power schools will be able to pay and poach players from the second tier league that we would be in.

 

[Cloneon]

Businesses have expenses that factor into how profits are realized from revenue that aren’t at play in college athletics. Your expenses are your coaches, the travel for your teams, the AD administrators, and whatever capital improvements you can afford. That’s it. College athletics are not like businesses in that way. You wanna pull in as much revenue as you can, always. And Big 12 programs used to existing on 100M budgets are going to try to keep that number as high as possible above all else. That’s why it’s interesting there are four G5 schools a cut above all others in AD budget size. They are as close to plug and play as possible. That will be a big factor in who gets an invite.

And I might add 'marketing' becomes a bigger portion of your balance sheet the less the product on the field delivers ... ala TX.

 

[surly]

Businesses have expenses that factor into how profits are realized from revenue that aren’t at play in college athletics.

Pray tell, how are business expenses different than athletic departments?

 

[cytor]

The SEC isn't done. They won't be a part of the NCAA so the playoff that we all know will no longer exist. SEC wants to be in a league of their own with as many of the big schools they can get. So they can have their own playoff and championship game and keep all the revenue to themselves. The rest of us not in the power league will have to be creative or come up with a newly structured league. Which would allow for better geographic conferences or divisions and have our own version of a playoff. We will just need to wait to see how it all plays out and if Ohio State, Michigan, ND, Clemson, and whoever else the SEC believes is worthy of an invite accepts the invite. It may not happen right away, but pretty confident as the other GOR come to an end the dominos will continue to fall. But college athletics as we know it is never going to be the same. As most know the power schools will be able to pay and poach players from the second tier league that we would be in.

You could very well be right about this. If they truly want to be a super conference, Vandy and others will have to be kicked out. That being said Vandy is needed to help pad the records of the powerhouses. Imagine how wrong for a super conference to have all those other school punching bags around and get that money... those 2nd and 3rd tier schools have no business being in a league that wants to rule college sports.

 

[19210]

You could very well be right about this. If they truly want to be a super conference, Vandy and others will have to be kicked out. That being said Vandy is needed to help pad the records of the powerhouses. Imagine how wrong for a super conference to have all those other school punching bags around and get that money... those 2nd and 3rd tier schools have no business being in a league that wants to rule college sports.

Not sure how the lesser schools will play out yet. It all comes down to how many big name schools the SEC can get and wants to join. The way it all is setting up the lesser schools like Vandy will be able to get the more elite players as they will have more money for facilities and to pay the players to come play for them.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Not sure how the lesser schools will play out yet. It all comes down to how many big name schools the SEC can get and wants to join. The way it all is setting up the lesser schools like Vandy will be able to get the more elite players as they will have more money for facilities and to pay the players to come play for them.

1. I'm not convinced that this is the SEC goal. Not now, but maybe eventually. A play like that is big enough to be dangerous to what is already a cash cow.

2. If their goal is to build their own tier of football out of elite schools, some of those elite schools will become the bottom feeders of the elites.

 

[Daserop]

1. I'm not convinced that this is the SEC goal. Not now, but maybe eventually. A play like that is big enough to be dangerous to what is already a cash cow.

2. If their goal is to build their own tier of football out of elite schools, some of those elite schools will become the bottom feeders of the elites.

For your second point. The SEC had a plan. The SEC will just play less conference games! Currently, they only play 7 conference games due to their flawed thinging of being a superior conference. Now they must think they're superiorer (yes I did that on purpose). So they will play even less conference games.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Pray tell, how are business expenses different than athletic departments?

You said revenue is not the goal in business. Of course not; profit ultimately is. A business can incur R&D expenses or start-up expenses or whatever kind of expenses that might lower profit margins.

Revenue is basically profit when it comes to college athletics though. It is the figure that matters to ADs.

The Big 12 ADs are going to want to keep their budgets as large as they can. They will try to maximize revenues accordingly. The revenue a school generates today is at least strongly correlated with the revenue that it could generate tomorrow. It tracks that the largest G5 revenue generators will likely be the most attractive options for Big 12 expansion, especially if they are also competitive in football. Fortunately for the Big 12, the most valuable schools are also the best at football. Welcome BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, and UCF to the Big 12.

 

[19210]

1. I'm not convinced that this is the SEC goal. Not now, but maybe eventually. A play like that is big enough to be dangerous to what is already a cash cow.

2. If their goal is to build their own tier of football out of elite schools, some of those elite schools will become the bottom feeders of the elites.

I agree it is dangerous, but think of the egos in those rooms making the decisions. Texas is already a mediocre team so really didn't make much sense for them to jump to play a tougher schedule. I think it will be like the NFL you will have more parity as all the top recruits will go to the SEC league even more now. In the end it all comes down to the almighty dollar. As a lot of people said they will lose a lot of viewers but if they get the top schools from each conference which typically means the bigger markets, fair weather fans, and viewers it will probably pay off in their eyes. I hope it burns sooner then later and they end up being on the outside looking in at the end of the day.

 

[surly]

Revenue is basically profit when it comes to college athletics though.

I hope you didn't get a finance degree at Ames. Good grief.

 

[19210]

For your second point. The SEC had a plan. The SEC will just play less conference games! Currently, they only play 7 conference games due to their flawed thinging of being a superior conference. Now they must think they're superiorer (yes I did that on purpose). So they will play even less conference games.

I think the ultimate goal is to play only teams within the SEC. Set up like the NFL. So you will have your divisions champions and wild cards for the playoffs. Then what ever they set up to be your equivalent to the AFC and NFC champs to play in the championship game. Key is to keep all the money in their league to maximize profits.

 

[dafarmer]

The key is Not attending. Home game with an 11:00 o'clock start means leaving at home around 4:30 to get to Ames by 7:00 or so, set up the tailgate, get things rolling and then we have to take everything down around 10:15 to 10:30 at the latest.
Makes for a very long day, wife complains the whole time and its generally cold and wet for the later games. The sweet spot for games are with 2;30 or 6:00. Plenty of time to tailgate, and still get home before one in the morning.

Leave her home!