Sad thing about the portal & NIL

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Did anybody see the interviewer on ESPN ask Tshieabwe about the effect of NIL compensation as a factor to come back? And his answer? Wish I could paraphrase it for you, but it was classic. Smart on his part, deflecting the question, but I laughed out loud.
 

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We need to make a better distinction between NIL (athletes actually using their Name /Image / Likeness to promote a product) and Pay for Play.

Not possible. Way too many ways around it.

Record a 10 second ad on my phone promoting my personal brand that I decide to never use? Why even go through the trouble, just give them the cash.
 
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You would think that sooner or later that you can’t keep getting guys to drop 250-500k a year for 10-20 years straight if they aren’t getting championships. It will be like coaches, if the donors don’t think their race horse is pulling the winnings well enough, they will cut them off and then the run off issues will pop up.

I just don’t think this is a model that can sustain itself for years and years without something changing.

I could show you numerous examples of rich sugar daddies dropping hundreds of thousands if not millions a year just because they have money to spend.
 

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Not exactly sure.
I could show you numerous examples of rich sugar daddies dropping hundreds of thousands if not millions a year just because they have money to spend.
I know, it’s probably just my investment side that believes if I make it and reinvest it, it will make me more.
 
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Not possible. Way too many ways around it.

Record a 10 second ad on my phone promoting my personal brand that I decide to never use? Why even go through the trouble, just give them the cash.
It is indeed possible. And I'm not talking about defining NIL and Pay for Play from an NCAA perspective, but more from the way we discuss it. Constantly putting NIL on blast when really it's the pay for play that should be in the crosshairs.

A lot of college athletes genuinely are gaining from NIL rights, while Pay for Play is what people are upset about.
 

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I read somewhere Tshiebwe is here on a Visa which complicates his ability to collect NIL money, or something to that effect. Imagine UK is having to get creative.
 

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Did anybody see the interviewer on ESPN ask Tshieabwe about the effect of NIL compensation as a factor to come back? And his answer? Wish I could paraphrase it for you, but it was classic. Smart on his part, deflecting the question, but I laughed out loud.
It is because he is an international student on an F-1 Visa. Those have very strict rules about how you can make money. I don't know exactly how Kentucky got around it. I know the state legislature passed some law but its a federal issue not a state.
 
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Again....how does he know that? Oh, of course, 'the source'. Post 'em all then. Not sure how guys like **** Vitale can bash the transfer portal/rule and not bash this!
Why are we bashing someone who can make money while also getting an education? Or pushing out his personal risk of potentially being an NBA bust?
 

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Your ignorance here shows. Having employed "kids" thirty years ago versus now gives me the right to call BS. If you say a word of correction they don't like or look at them wrong,, out the door they go. They get coddled everywhere they go. Maybe you're one of them "kids"?
Exactly now they aren’t taught to work through things and get better and stronger because of it, they just run to the shiny things that make them not have to
I don't think it means the end of college sport. Heck, who knows if the NCAA was going to exist much longer based on recent court ruling and Supreme Court statements.

Maybe each sport will have their own oversight.

NIL has opened people's eyes, because other people making money seems to catch our attention and get our ire up.

But the numbers of players in the transfer portal over the last 3-5 years has opened my eyes in how bad the system is broken at the D1 level.

With 1000+ hoops players in the transfer portal, it's pretty obvious the NCAA and colleges have created a structure where an academic focus and developing a bond between athlete & university are missing.

Maybe graduation rates won't suffer- but curious what they look like in 2-3 years. And maybe that isn't even a good measure vs job placement/career.
i agree and I didn’t mean end of college sports I meant ncaa but worded it incorrectly
 
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It is indeed possible. And I'm not talking about defining NIL and Pay for Play from an NCAA perspective, but more from the way we discuss it. Constantly putting NIL on blast when really it's the pay for play that should be in the crosshairs.

A lot of college athletes genuinely are gaining from NIL rights, while Pay for Play is what people are upset about.

I just gave you one of probably a million examples of how pay for play can be turned into NIL.

Athletic departments aren't paying them, private individuals, groups and businesses are.
 
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There's nothing stopping the owner of the Cadillac dealership in Lawrence (or KC) from creating a pool of money from which they offer contracts to every five star recruit at each position every year to come to KU. There is also nothing stopping said dealership from never using said five stars NIL. It will very much become pay for play.

There is no business risk here. There is no ROI calculus. This will become boosters funneling money into businesses to create pay for play slush funds.

To be clear, I'm downbeat about NIL but not all doom and gloom. ISU's booster community will never be able to pay as many recruits as much money as KU hoops boosters...but if TJ gets a nice 5* culture thing going like Campbell has, perhaps that makes up for the difference in $$$ in some strategic cases. We'll have to be smart...

I'm actually more immediately concerned with realignment. If the B1G & SEC become the Super 2 it's going to be a lot harder for ISU to weather relegation to the P3 than KU.
There is nothing from stopping a car dealership in Ames or Des Moines from doing the same for ISU, either.

And there absolutely IS a risk. Every business ultimately has to balance advertising dollars spent with revenue generated by said advertising dollars. They aren't just piggy banks with unlimited resources.

This conversation got me to research what the actual NIL policy is at KU and I found this: https://kuathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Official-KAI-NIL-Policy.pdf

It's an interesting read as to what is and is not permitted. I assume that Iowa State has a similar policy but I haven't been able to find it yet.
 

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I just gave you one of probably a million examples of how pay for play can be turned into NIL.

Athletic departments aren't paying them, private individuals, groups and businesses are.
They always were though!

What NIL does is allow the athletes that weren't getting paid to actually promote things legitimately or get a job with the university or actually get paid to play the guitar at a bar in the off-season.

Top athletes are always going to get the money, now it's just more public.
 

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First. If an athlete can get money let them get it. Other than illegal stuff, no one has a right to say whether they deserve it or not. I have been overpaid and underpaid for jobs I have had and had reasons to stay or leave that might have incluced money.

Second, I do believe the NIL payouts will come to earth, however, there will always be the haves and the have nots. Not all booster bases can afford to keep doling out money.

Third, the current NIL structure puts the onus on the fans to solve the pay for play issue. I thought the whole point of NIL was the athletic departments were getting rich off the athletes. This is great for the SEC and Big 10. They get to keep the money and let everyone else deal with the issues and the scraps.

How to solve this:

1) NIL payments cannot restrict WHERE an athlete plays. Sure, a booster can state "I am giving you $750,000 to promote my North Carolina Cadilac dealership" which might make it easier to go to school in North Carolina, but for $750,000 I can rent a plane to get there whenever you need me.

2) The NCAA demands an increase football playoff teams. The rich will stay rich regardless of what happens but this at least allows for a potential Cinderella. How great was this year's NCAA basketball. Plenty of Cinderella drama but the TV execs were happy when the blue bloods got to the final four. A Loyola or Butler is always possible but the blue bloods are always there (and plenty of blue bloods that don't make it there too).

3) Pay the players a percentage of the take from the athletic department where they played LAST year. This avoids an athlete jumping just for cash (other than the NIL deal they can get for their individual value).
 

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If the NCAA truly wants to preserve their credibility, they will address NIL's. They need to level the playing field. College football has more parity than in years past. I would hate for that to go away. If it does, people will quit watching. TV revenue will drop. People get tired of the same people winning all the time. It's why I hate the Yankees. It's fun to see them lose after spending all that money. I wouldn't watch them. I just check the boxscore to see if they lost.
Since when does the NCAA have credibility?
 

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There is nothing from stopping a car dealership in Ames or Des Moines from doing the same for ISU, either.

And there absolutely IS a risk. Every business ultimately has to balance advertising dollars spent with revenue generated by said advertising dollars. They aren't just piggy banks with unlimited resources.

This conversation got me to research what the actual NIL policy is at KU and I found this: https://kuathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Official-KAI-NIL-Policy.pdf

It's an interesting read as to what is and is not permitted. I assume that Iowa State has a similar policy but I haven't been able to find it yet.
Iowa State's is very similar with the once exception being Iowa State doesn't allow mixing of their logos or trademarks with any NIL merch.