Serious question from the Cougs.

[CyCloned]

I forgot about this little gem from back in the day but this was called a fumble.

Part of the "oh well, Bill needs a little more help to win today" series with KSU. Just amazes me how many bad calls and crazy plays happened in that 10 year span. KSU probably converted on 10 desperation plays or 4th downs in that decade of looses too....

 

[nfrine]

When it comes to money, Neinas had everything forged and told Bowlsby, just need to sign it since you are the new guy. If knowing how to sign your name is doing a good job, then I guess he has it there.

It's something they must teach at Iowa. Barta stumbled into the Big Ten Network and is hailed as a genius fundraiser.

 

[BCClone]

First, I am no Walden fan but a lot of the hate for him is blaming the wrong guy and should probably be let go. Walden took over when fan support was at rock bottom, with a government and regents wanting ISU to be part of a UofI “system”, with an AD that gave him the bare minimum to keep the lights on, during a time when Hayden Fry has completely sucked all the air out of Cyclone media and gobbled up all casual fans for a generation. The turf was even peeling up in places even. Despite being handicapped by significant scholarship reductions his first few years due to the previous coaching regime he still managed a winning record in 1989 (which would have been a bowl season today) and owns two of the biggest upset wins in ISU history. Following his best season the next few years he had an injured star running back (Blaise Bryant) and had to go to a third string QB that wasn’t even a QB. The last few years were bad and the die had been cast by that point. He was understably bitter and said a lot of things he probably regrets. Walden never had a chance here but still almost got over the hump. He is a scapegoat for a lot of people’s wrath but we set him up for failure. Heck, he had a chance to leave and turned it down for ISU. He found Troy Davis...just wished he’d have played him.

You show me a coach that could have succeeded with no money, no facilities, no fans, no media, and reduced scholarships when already at a significant talent gap.

I know the whole Walden saga, I was there for most of it. I knew many of the players and Walden had spoken to me about being a walk-on but I decided I was done with football. I also know the poor administration support. Walden didn't do himself any favors either though. He talked about being amazed at the talent level when he showed up, but then would insult his defense about they wouldn't be able to stop anybody. He made poor decisions and recruited poorly. Yes, he got troy davis, but there was also a little luck involved. TD took the ACT several times (this was just to make partial qualifier mind you) and couldn't pull the needed score. All the other schools walked away, it was like April or may of his senior year before he hit. We were the last man standing at that point.

I helped put out the turf when I worked at JTS for events, it was poor and shoddy. He had fan support. I was at those games. It wasn't great, but at the beginning it was fuller than during most of Mac's years. He was hired and bragged about being able to beat the big rival, a big part of his draw. Exactly how well did that go?

Walden is doesn't deserve the majority of the blame for the slide of ISU football, but he was a crappy coach all the way around.

 

[everyyard]

I know the whole Walden saga, I was there for most of it. I knew many of the players and Walden had spoken to me about being a walk-on but I decided I was done with football. I also know the poor administration support. Walden didn't do himself any favors either though. He talked about being amazed at the talent level when he showed up, but then would insult his defense about they wouldn't be able to stop anybody. He made poor decisions and recruited poorly. Yes, he got troy davis, but there was also a little luck involved. TD took the ACT several times (this was just to make partial qualifier mind you) and couldn't pull the needed score. All the other schools walked away, it was like April or may of his senior year before he hit. We were the last man standing at that point.

I helped put out the turf when I worked at JTS for events, it was poor and shoddy. He had fan support. I was at those games. It wasn't great, but at the beginning it was fuller than during most of Mac's years. He was hired and bragged about being able to beat the big rival, a big part of his draw. Exactly how well did that go?

Walden is doesn't deserve the majority of the blame for the slide of ISU football, but he was a crappy coach all the way around.

Like I said, I am no Walden fan. But Saban couldn’t have won in the situation Walden came into. Walden got the reputation of being able to beat rivals because he consistently beat Washington. Iowa was on another level at that point in time though.

 

[VeloClone]

Is that you Blum? No, Blum wouldn't confuse the Phantom 3 for a dead ball foul.

And while I still don't buy the argument that you can't take points off the board once play has resumed (they do it all the time for scorekeeper errors), I put the most blame on our coaching staff. The fact that it was one of our players who noticed the skipped second free throw and that our coaches didn't insist on getting the scoreboard error fixed before the second free throw makes it our fault.

Watch it again. The officials huddled immediately after the made 3 and determined that they would count the basket and give the second free throw to Homan. Morgan is doing everything but getting a T arguing that the 3 should not count but they insist that due to the rule the 3 should count on a possession that should have never happened. What else would you have him do?

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if he would have missed the 3 and then they gave Homan the other free throw. Do you think they would have still given ISU the ball because the missed three stands? In the Phog? I highly doubt it.

 

[CyCloned]

I know the whole Walden saga, I was there for most of it. I knew many of the players and Walden had spoken to me about being a walk-on but I decided I was done with football. I also know the poor administration support. Walden didn't do himself any favors either though. He talked about being amazed at the talent level when he showed up, but then would insult his defense about they wouldn't be able to stop anybody. He made poor decisions and recruited poorly. Yes, he got troy davis, but there was also a little luck involved. TD took the ACT several times (this was just to make partial qualifier mind you) and couldn't pull the needed score. All the other schools walked away, it was like April or may of his senior year before he hit. We were the last man standing at that point.

I helped put out the turf when I worked at JTS for events, it was poor and shoddy. He had fan support. I was at those games. It wasn't great, but at the beginning it was fuller than during most of Mac's years. He was hired and bragged about being able to beat the big rival, a big part of his draw. Exactly how well did that go?

Walden is doesn't deserve the majority of the blame for the slide of ISU football, but he was a crappy coach all the way around.

Walden was great at speaking, and had some awesome special teams. He was a guy that didn't like to recruit as hard as he probably should have. Still have a poster of Jim and Johnny in the basement somewhere.

 

[BCClone]

Like I said, I am no Walden fan. But Saban couldn’t have won in the situation Walden came into. Walden got the reputation of being able to beat rivals because he consistently beat Washington. Iowa was on another level at that point in time though.

Not to argue, but you do know that James was winning conference titles, finishing top 5-10 and even won a national title while Walden was at WSU? I don't remember Fry (who was destroyed by UW during that time) being at that level.

 

[everyyard]

Not to argue, but you do know that James was winning conference titles, finishing top 5-10 and even won a national title while Walden was at WSU? I don't remember Fry (who was destroyed by UW during that time) being at that level.

I meant another level than ISU but what you say is why he came to us with that expectation.

 

[dualthreat]

Yeah, I don’t think so. Your conference is run by fools.

But We actively get screwed over. When was the last time more than one flag was picked up in one of your games? When was the last time a ref or official was banned from doing one of your games? How many times has a basketball player been allowed to shoot a 3 in between a 2 shot foul? How many conference apologies have you gotten?

You don’t want to try and out victim us.

I couldn't be more tired of playing this role. We're a good program in football and basketball now.. can the ******** and moaning please stop

 

[Doc]

Nothing is worse than the Phanton 3 at the Phog. Nothing. It is still just unbelievable.

anymore, I'm more pissed off about Langford's 2 they called a 3 with 30 seconds left in that game.

 

[Lookoverhere]

I put the most blame on our coaching staff. The fact that it was one of our players who noticed the skipped second free throw and that our coaches didn't insist on getting the scoreboard error fixed before the second free throw makes it our fault.

Wayne Morgan yells directly at the officials from two feet away, "This is crazy" and "I cannot believe this ****!" What else could he have done, in your opinion?

 

[BCClone]

Wayne Morgan yells directly at the officials from two feet away, "This is crazy" and "I cannot believe this ****!" What else could he have done, in your opinion?

Thrown him in a head lock and drug him over to the scorers table?

 

[CloneGuy8]

I miss FakeDan Beebe on twitter.

OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH KANSAS.....

 

[Blandboy]

Nothing is worse than the Phanton 3 at the Phog. Nothing. It is still just unbelievable.

well, is was quite Phoggy that day...

 

[HouClone]

Exactly what part of what Bob is doing do you like? He doesn't get out and champion or league, he doesn't play major cheeleader. When they had the BCS and it came down to TCU/Baylor debate, instead of beating the drum of the higher ranked, he said "let the committee decide since we have co-champs". Committee laughs and takes neither.

We announce we are considering expanding and looking at teams, after all these interviews, he announces that the schools decided to meet and they decided they didn't want to expand. Ol' Bob just got wound up and started talking expansion.

When it comes to money, Neinas had everything forged and told Bowlsby, just need to sign it since you are the new guy. If knowing how to sign your name is doing a good job, then I guess he has it there.

Neinas was awesome. Too bad he wasn't 15 years younger when he took the job as the interim commish.

Bowlsby took a chance and the odds were looking good for the Big 12 in 2014. The only way TCU or Baylor wouldn't get selected in the playoffs is by exactly what happened, Ohio State won 59-0 and all the other conference leaders won their championship games. Ohio State wins by 3 TDs, TCU gets selected. 2 conference leaders trip up, Baylor gets selected too. So it took a complete blowout and the P5 conference leaders to go 4-0 to shut out the Big 12.

Yes, ISU has got screwed on the field with the officials. But it is not like Bowlsby is out there officiating.

In regards to the expansion, that is all on David Boren. He has done as much harm as any individual to the Big 12 with the exception of Dan Bebbe. The best thing he did was bring in Neinas.

 

[TedKumsher]

I'm not a fan of Bowlsby, but we had our Larry Scott in Dan Beebe

Beebe was pretty bad. I happen to actually like Bowlsby.

 

[TedKumsher]

I agree the officials totally jacked up the situation by not blowing their whistles immediately and stopping action but the rule book does state that all actions, points, fouls that occur between the error and the time of correction stand. That said, again, they totally screwed up by not blowing it dead immediately. How all three of them let it continue and only blew the whistle after the shot is what is the travesty. Taking it to the extreme, let's say Homan gets mad that they screwed him out of the second FT, he turns and punches a KU player. Do the officials ignore the punch since it occurred in the time between the error and the correction?

This is grounds for instant perma-ban, right?
Right?
Like if someone were to come on here and say The Blarge was the correct call -- instant perma-ban.
Right?
(Asking for a friend.)

 

[fsanford]

Scott may be the best thing to happen to ISU, it used to be the talk of the Big 12 imploding, now stories of the likes of USC, and the Arizona schools possibly looking to join the Big 12 start getting passed around.

Now part of the problem is nobody really cares about college sports that much out here, and if you have a product that nobody feels a need to have its kind of hard to sell it.