Should J. Brock be getting more carries?
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I've seen nothing from BH to suggest he'd sit the game out. Doesn't strike me as his style. That said, if we end up in a second tier bowl and he decides to do so, I'm not going to judge. It's not like he's been indestructible and there's a lot on the line for him. A healthy BH drafted high would be very beneficial to the program.
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Might get killed for this, but I question Jirehl's vision. He's a big physical guy who runs hard, but he hasn't shown much wiggle either. He has the physical profile to be a one cut downhill back like Breece, but when he gets the ball he's been kind of a no-cut back. He tends to get strung out without getting the corner and has had a pretty high pad level.
He's been great in pass protection and had a key 1st down reception against OSU. He hasn't gotten many pivotal carries, and it's hard to tell if he can take over as the clear number one. It's kind of anyone's guess how the staff view our remaining backs because Brock has been on the field for far more important snaps, but Silas has gotten more carries to show what he can do, although it's usually in garbage time.
He's been great in pass protection and had a key 1st down reception against OSU. He hasn't gotten many pivotal carries, and it's hard to tell if he can take over as the clear number one. It's kind of anyone's guess how the staff view our remaining backs because Brock has been on the field for far more important snaps, but Silas has gotten more carries to show what he can do, although it's usually in garbage time.
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Garbage time management rules:
1. Don't get your starters hurt
1A. Don't get your 2nd string hurt.
2. Get the young guys some run.
IMO, you will see a pretty different running attack if Jirehl is the next starting RB. He is not at all similar in style, at least at this point. He's much more a college Le'Veon Bell type where Breece is more of a TJ Yeldon type, for instance. To be clear, Breece can run in any system but I think he's best in a scheme that leverages his vision and patience. Those two things allow him to wait out the "wash", for lack of a better term, and hit the big plays. Mike Warren is the opposite end of the spectrum in terms of styles as he wanted to hit a hole straight away and use his physicality. Brock will probably show to be better all around than Warren but right now I see some similarities and one of the RB commits (forgot his name) looks to be in that same mold.
Edit: Yes, I do use very successful players as comps at times. I don't find it useful to dig up some decent college comparison when only talking about style. I'm not saying Brock is Le'Veon Bell, though college Le'Veon Bell was thought of much differently than NFL Le'Veon Bell even in terms of his skillset.
I think there has been a few times when Breece and Jirhel have both been on the field at the same time. More of that would be nice to see I think. Also at the end of the games you don't wanna get your primary backup / blocking back dinged up so that might be the case why the freshman get more garbage carries. Jirhel would be the clear cut #1 back when Breece leaves. I don't see a reason why he wouldn't.
I met Jirehl's mom at the Baylor game. Very nice. I'm sure she'd agree with the question here.
Does Jirehl have any escape-ability / surge etc.? Such small data sets that I don't know. I'd love to see him get a few carries a game a la Kene, assuming he's a good college runner but I honestly don't know. I guess there's the value of less wear-and-tear on Breece.
What I do know is that he's been a team guy and has become a good pass blocker so he's a real contributor to this team's success. I tip my hat to the guy; playing behind an all-world dude isn't easy.
Does Jirehl have any escape-ability / surge etc.? Such small data sets that I don't know. I'd love to see him get a few carries a game a la Kene, assuming he's a good college runner but I honestly don't know. I guess there's the value of less wear-and-tear on Breece.
What I do know is that he's been a team guy and has become a good pass blocker so he's a real contributor to this team's success. I tip my hat to the guy; playing behind an all-world dude isn't easy.
If we're speculating, I'd be fairly shocked if any of our players sat out the bowl game, as it goes against the selfless culture of the team. There are a lot of guys who could have moved on, but came back because of that.
I agree with you and I’m hoping more experience will increase his vision. Plus there are sometimes you could say the same for Breece and then he breaks a big one. I’m a big believer in running backs getting into a groove. Jirehl hasn’t been able too for a sustained time.
I think the coaches likely know he is the guy that is next up and want to give the younger guys some carries in garbage time. Jirehl will have ample opportunity to take the reins next year.
Yeah, it is hard to tell. Breece can go almost nowhere for 10 carries, but watch out for number 11. I don't think Brock is as fast or as elusive as Breece, but I think he's still a very good back, and great at the roles we have had for him thus far.
Yeah aside from Breece, I think the other guys will play. None really are shoe-in can't miss NFL Draft prospects. I could argue Charlie, maybe, only due to the injury history. In fact I would probably encourage Breece and Charlie to not play if ISU is in a non NY6 bowl.
I guess I wouldn't encourage them either way, as that's a personal choice, but would understand if they chose to sit.
I haven’t really seen “it” from Jirehl yet.
Idk. He’s done some things well (blocking) but I don’t see anything out of him as a runner that truly pops yet. I’d argue I’ve seen more out of Silas than him.
Idk. He’s done some things well (blocking) but I don’t see anything out of him as a runner that truly pops yet. I’d argue I’ve seen more out of Silas than him.
I guess speculating is fine. It’s a message board, we’re supposed to talk. But this particular subject seems silly to me. If he plays in the game, if he sits out, it’s his decision, and it shouldn’t matter on the least to us. Being drafted as high as possible and getting a good career in the NFL is far more valuable to our program than playing in an exhibition game. It’s far more valuable to him as well. He can play if he wants to play. I’m not going to be upset if he doesn’t.
I'm not going to disagree with your assessment. But I keep hearing people refer to bowl games as "an exhibition game". When ISU plays a NAIA or Div 2 team in basketball and the outcome doesn't appear on the team's season W/L record, that is an exhibition game. When a team finishes with a win in a bowl game and it bumps their season record from 9 wins to 10 it is no more an exhibition game than the non-conference games with which they started the season. All the wins matter.
This. I know Kene is in the NFL but I figured he'd have close to Kene type numbers in terms of carries. Instead he as 7 more carries in 1 less game than he did last year as the 3rd back (20 this year to 13 last year) with 9 games played compared to 10 last year.
Kene had 61 last year when Breece was also pretty darn good..... so I'm not quite sure why he's gotten so few carries when clearly last year we managed to work in more carries for other backs. Yes, Kene is very, very good etc but I like what I've seen from him so far so that is something that has been a touch weird that we went from having two backs +50 last year to one over 30 this year - not counting Purdy at quarterback since this is just about running backs.
I recall Campbell being really pissed on one of the few carries he got against TX, but wasn't sure if that was because the line got blown up or because Brock missed his cut.
But it's not going to win a conference championship or improve the chance at making the playoffs, I hope BH plays every game he can as a Cyclone, but I will certainly understand and support him if he wants to forego it (calling him selfish for doing so is petty and short sided IMO).
That was not my point. It does neither, but it counts in the program's season and overall W/L totals so it is not an exhibition game as Harimad - as well as several others - called it.
