TCU postgame thread

[ISUAlum2002]

So as long as we aren't losing, we should always kneel out the first half when we have the opportunity? The probability of turnover or pick-6/scoop-and-score doesn't change based on whether there's 30 or 60 or 120 seconds left. That's what you're advocating. The fact that a scoop-and-score happened randomly later in the game has no bearing on what our end of half strategy should be, other than to cause people to be unnecessarily conservative.

Since you're big on probabilities, what is the probability that the offense on the field last night was going to drive 80 yards in 50 seconds when they had only gained a total of 76 yards through the entire half up that point?

My best guess here is that Campbell had no confidence in getting a score there. Obviously the flow of the game and performance of the offense up to that point is really the deciding factor here for the coaching staff. If the offense had been rolling he probably would have taken a couple of shots to see if we could break something loose. I'm absolutely all for being aggressive at the end of the half if it makes sense based on how the game has gone and the confidence level in not messing up and making things worse.

 

[FinalFourCy]

It’s funny how half the people here wouldn’t be ******** nearly as much if we were listed at 2-3 instead of 1-3.

It’s a funny thought, but not true.

We’ve lost two games we won a year ago, and also lost one of the more winnable ones to get one of those back. The weaker teams in the Big 12 look improved. The odds of improving on last year’s 8 wins is looking unlikely as the offense appears like it will again struggle. Hoping to finish with 7 wins while having a very good defense, an elite running back, and an all-conference WR will frustrate fans.

 

[CyCloned]

You mean that drive with like 30 seconds left? I don't think DM's running would have made much of a difference on that one. We do need him back and healthy. The expert coaches on here need to stop getting upset when he rests a series. It needs to be a running back by committee effort if he is going to make it through the season.

NO, the one he got hurt on, that thing was anything but a drive. Not sure what to call that other than ugly.

 

[CloneLawman]

In 2003 Chandler had 10 wins as a starter and threw for 2,040 yard, 18 TDs and won a January bowl game.

ISU QBs with 10 win seasons: 0 (Seneca Wallace had 14 wins...but that took him 2 entire seasons to accomplish)
ISU QBs with January Bowl Wins: 0
Chandler's 18 TDs would put him 3rd on the ISU list for TDs in a season
Chandler's 2,040 yards would be the 12 best season in ISU history.

But don't worry, when Jacob Park comes back he still plans on getting his 4,000 yards and 36 TDs for you guys.

More Hokroach ******** posting outside the ISR. For shame!

Edit: In case you can't figure out what is starred out, see the following for a less than subtle hint.

 

[dosry5]

Boy we have become a bunch of football prudes in just one year of success. This program is in better shape than at any time in the 45 years I have been following the Cyclones. We knew the front of the schedule was going to be tough. CMC is a great coach, let's let him do his job.

Wow.....you’re old balls!

 

[norcalcy]

Yeah, I miss the days when we would lose this game by 4 touchdowns like with the previous staff, the one before it, and the one before that, etc. This team is close and the staff is much better than this board is giving them credit for right now. On the OC, I'm sure MC would have loved to hire a good OC that fit his system, but remember how late Manning left. Campbell likely would have been settling on who he could get. Better long term solution to hire in the normal coaching cycle after this season.

Sure it's better than it was, not going to argue that. Coach wanted to raise the standard and he has done a great job of that (that includes raising expectations in the fan base). Last year, as it turns out, was pretty amazing. The results from 2017 fed some hope that the program had evolved to a place where it could steal a tough fought road game now and then.

We appear to be a bit further away from that status than I thought. Doesn't mean ISU is not trending in the right direction, but the deficiencies on the offensive side of the ball are glaring right now. The offense is clearly not in a position to go on the road and grind out a tough win (had two chances and have not gotten it done). I have been skeptical of the OC argument, but am beginning to wonder if there is some merit to the concerns.

At any rate, sometimes things take a little longer than expected. Hoping for a better performance at OSU.

 

[FinalFourCy]

In 2003 Chandler had 10 wins as a starter and threw for 2,040 yard, 18 TDs and won a January bowl game.

ISU QBs with 10 win seasons: 0 (Seneca Wallace had 14 wins...but that took him 2 entire seasons to accomplish)
ISU QBs with January Bowl Wins: 0
Chandler's 18 TDs would put him 3rd on the ISU list for TDs in a season
Chandler's 2,040 yards would be the 12 best season in ISU history.

But don't worry, when Jacob Park comes back he still plans on getting his 4,000 yards and 36 TDs for you guys.

Is this supposed to be supporting evidence for the KF Emphasis thread? CyTwins, you clever SOB.

Wow, I didn’t realize Chandler’s numbers were that weak.

 

[Cyched]

Why is a Hawk troll reading an ISU-TCU thread?

 

[CloneGuy8]

Why is a Hawk troll reading an ISU-TCU thread?

They're obsessed, even when they claim otherwise.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Why is a Hawk troll reading an ISU-TCU thread?

Fapping material for them since they didn't have a game this week and we lost.

 

[CloneLawman]

Why is a Hawk troll reading an ISU-TCU thread?

Because "he's an *******, he's an *******, that's right, he's an *******, he's an *******, yes yes, he's an *******, he's an *******..."

 

[isufbcurt]

So as long as we aren't losing, we should always kneel out the first half when we have the opportunity? The probability of turnover or pick-6/scoop-and-score doesn't change based on whether there's 30 or 60 or 120 seconds left. That's what you're advocating. The fact that a scoop-and-score happened randomly later in the game has no bearing on what our end of half strategy should be, other than to cause people to be unnecessarily conservative.

Actually the probability of a turnover would go up in that situation because the defense knows you have to pass in order to get the ball down field. So they bring in a couple extra dbacks and tell the DL to pin their ears back and meet at the QB.

 

[cyputz]

We will continue to see our schedule front loaded when we play the “southern” schools in Ames, as some have refused to come north in colder weather months at end of schedule.

 

[madguy30]

Why is a Hawk troll reading an ISU-TCU thread?

Your question the answer is in.

 

[Newell]

Yeah, I miss the days when we would lose this game by 4 touchdowns like with the previous staff, the one before it, and the one before that, etc. This team is close and the staff is much better than this board is giving them credit for right now. On the OC, I'm sure MC would have loved to hire a good OC that fit his system, but remember how late Manning left. Campbell likely would have been settling on who he could get. Better long term solution to hire in the normal coaching cycle after this season.

I know Campbell got a nice pay increase which was deserved. Did Manning leave because he didn't get an anticipated pay increase and could make more money in the NFL or was the NFL his dream?

In terms of stable employment ISU was a better choice than the NFL.

 

[isufbcurt]

I know Campbell got a nice pay increase which was deserved. Did Manning leave because he didn't get an anticipated pay increase and could make more money in the NFL or was the NFL his dream?

In terms of stable employment ISU was a better choice than the NFL.

Having the NFL on your resume' is a pretty big deal.

 

[Newell]

We will continue to see our schedule front loaded when we play the “southern” schools in Ames, as some have refused to come north in colder weather months at end of schedule.

Didn't Texas try to rig the schedule a few years ago so they always played ISU as the first conference game?

The SEC does something similar with Missouri. You never see the deep South schools at Missouri in mid/late November.

 

[DarkStar]

Actually the probability of a turnover would go up in that situation because the defense knows you have to pass in order to get the ball down field. So they bring in a couple extra dbacks and tell the DL to pin their ears back and meet at the QB.

Or, you line up in a formation that sells the deep ball to 18 and run a draw with 32. Depending how it works out, you let the clock run out on the short gain or call the time out and set up a play to get you in field goal range. Lots of safe options that can get the ball in one of our playmakers hands and let them do their thing. Most of all, send a message we are still coming after them with everything we got for every second of the game.

 

[isufbcurt]

Or, you line up in a formation that sells the deep ball to 18 and run a draw with 32. Depending how it works out, you let the clock run out on the short gain or call the time out and set up a play to get you in field goal range. Lots of safe options that can get the ball in one of our playmakers hands and let them do their thing. Most of all, send a message we are still coming after them with everything we got for every second of the game.

I get what you are saying but I think 1986 was the last time ISU ran a successful draw play lol

 

[besserheimerphat]

Since you're big on probabilities, what is the probability that the offense on the field last night was going to drive 80 yards in 50 seconds when they had only gained a total of 76 yards through the entire half up that point?

My best guess here is that Campbell had no confidence in getting a score there. Obviously the flow of the game and performance of the offense up to that point is really the deciding factor here for the coaching staff. If the offense had been rolling he probably would have taken a couple of shots to see if we could break something loose. I'm absolutely all for being aggressive at the end of the half if it makes sense based on how the game has gone and the confidence level in not messing up and making things worse.

It was still higher than the probability of a turnover leading to a score for TCU. That's the point.

Actually the probability of a turnover would go up in that situation because the defense knows you have to pass in order to get the ball down field. So they bring in a couple extra dbacks and tell the DL to pin their ears back and meet at the QB.

Probability of incomplete passes goes up for sure, but I don't think probability of turnover does. Anyway, there was enough time, with the clock stopping on a first down, to throw down field and spike a couple times if we couldn't get out of bounds. Maybe come away with a field goal.