The blood is in the water
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Better coaches?
Rhoads is a local guy and is very proud- that does not mean much in terms of giving you a superior chance to win.
CycloneErik
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Why are we so worried about guys winning and taking a better job? We get some winning seasons and the chance at someone who builds on that. I don't see the problem there.
We may have to go through a couple 2-10, 3-9 type rebuilding seasons...oh wait.
The problem is that there are not a lot of players who at the moment want to play for us that don't suck.
I understand being careful about head-cases but at some point we need some talent as well.
Lazard comes to mind as a great kid that wants ISU and has talent. Need more like him - just don't know where to find them all.
I know for me, this was my original though when we got Chizic........
Yeah, I know that's not how it ended up working for us
Seems like a good recruiting plan-- hope more elite athletes grow up an hour from Ames, grow up Iowa State fans and have their brother join the team a few years before him.
People have said this. Not sure what they worry is for. Rhoads only really wanted to be here. He didn't come in with this amazing HC record of building programs at schools that had little to no history. This to me is the Hoiberg hire but failure instead of success. And guy who hadn't proved it yet but wanted to succeed at Iowa State. Hoiberg had what it took to succeed. Rhoads it would seem doesn't.
Exactly. Someone go find the interests of top 5 recruits fathers for next year. Call Weatherwax to take care of said father (and remind him to have the dad not tell his recruit son) and we'll be golden.
Obviously the recruiting coordinators for ISU are changing their tune some...."you can play immediately" etc. Really need to find diamonds in the rough, guys that didn't qualify initially or had an injury that made the big boys back off...that's risky, but we really do need immediate talent (ala JUCO too).
This theory would hold some water if we were sitting on a bunch of 4 and 5 star players who just didn't go out and get it done. I'm sure these kids are out there doing the best they can, that's the real problem.
I was thinking the same thing. We need a Brian Kelly type that is trying to move up the ladder. The only way he keeps moving up is to keep having success. Someone like that also does not have the patience for a 5 year program build so that would be the quickest way to success. It would also make the job more appealing to the next coach. I also think we need someone that has been a head coach before with a proven track record. A former player or someone that "loves ISU" is not a qualification.
I agree, I would have zero problem if ladder climber after ladder climber came through Ames, but here's the problem...Gene Chizik was that guy. Sure he was a gigantic failure but when he was hired everyone thought it was a slam dunk. Kirk Herbstreit called him the best assistant available when we hired him.
Whether it's a lifer or a climber you're rolling the dice every time you hire someone.
Why? Hoiberg wanted the basketball job, has a passion to succeed here, and but didn't have coaching experience. Rhoads wanted the football job, has a passion to succeed here, didn't have head coaching experience. One guy has been able to succeed. One guy has been able to stay afloat before finally going under.
Just because Rhoads hasn't worked out, doesn't mean success can't come here. If passion and a desire to win were all it took to building a winning football program, any CF poster could succeed as our head coach.
My objection is not about the different success that resulted.
Saying the Rhoads hire "is the Hoiberg hire" is like saying a red Maserati is the same as a red Volkswagen Passat because they are both red cars. The hires were not very similar, besides the state of their birth and wanting the job (although for Rhoads he wanted a promotion more than he specifically wanted the ISU job). Hoiberg is in a class of his own in terms of the non-coaching resume of any coach in any sport (whereas on the other hand Rhoads had a pretty relevant coaching career on his resume). Even without that, basketball and football are too different of sports.
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Look what Baylor did...give them 2-4 years. If they can't do it they are gone. It's not that big of a gamble if you take a long view. Ask if CPR can win 6 next year. If the answer is no, hit reset. No emotion. Business decision.
"I see Iowa State is on the rocks, how about we take a little look at who of their recruits might be available. Oh. Oh that's it? Yah, they can just keep those guys."
-- Opposing Coaches.
-- Opposing Coaches.
