The real problem with this team

enisthemenace

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Like the OP said, I believe the biggest (not only) issue is the 'set' offense. Success can NOT be obtained against above average teams by running sets exclusively in the half-court. They should be reserved for out-of-bounds plays and out of timeouts.

Cornell played a hell of a game against Kansas last night. One of the things they did was run a motion offense in the half-court (they were also very gritty, which as others have mentioned is an intangible this group does not have).

The half-court offense is on McD...no question...but I don't know how you can't put the other things on the entire coaching staff as a whole (including the recruiting process).
 

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Duke is the #5 ranked team in the country for a reason. Also, they have a Hall of Fame coach. ISU will be better in the long run for playing this game. Still early. Have faith.

I agree with this, and IMO we got what we wanted out of this game. That was shot to see where we match up with a top 5 team in the country. I think we showed that we are talented/atheletic enough to hang in with most teams but lack consistency and intensity to win these kinds of ball games. Also we don't have the backcourt to play with teams like this. If this is the style that McD is trying to play these guards won't cut it, none of them can consistently make plays when we need it, especially against a team thats as good as Duke is at the defensive end of the floor. In the college game your are only as good as your guards and I don't see anyone that could carry us down the stretch of a close game.
 
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Originally Posted by cyclonenum1
Last night was the first I have seen of ISU this year

Funny! Judging by your comments since Nov. 1 I would have guessed you had seen every game, and about half of the practice sessions.

Interesting...in another thread I am being ridiculed for "just showing up after a loss".

You guys can keep going on and on banging on the players and banging on the fans (like me) that are not happy with the direction of our MBB program under GM...that is your perogative.

If you think the players or the fans like me are the ones at fault and the coach bears no responsibility then I personally think you are either delusional or just too accepting of a fellow Iowa boy's mediocrity (at best).

The blunt facts are crystal clear...GM is not getting the job done. Because you can point to precious few successes he has had at ISU, you castigate the players and the fans that believe ISU should have a better program. But with respect to GM we are continually told about how "great of a guy" he is and given a laundry list of excuses and "bad luck" that have kept him from doing better at ISU.

Wow.
 

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Nobody has taught them how to box out on a rebound, anyone know how many offensive rebounds Duke had last night?
 

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What plan does McD have? What strategy do we use? Many say we are primed to be a full court team, but I do not see any focus on trying to utilize this style of play that much. We seem willing to try the half court 'sets' more. Now Duke was able to impose their will like no other team we have played, and their defense stymied our half court offense, but why is it they can get open shots when we can't? Team play, mental toughness, and a substitution plan.

Duke's strategy is to space the floor, have some motion by those without the ball, involve a lot of dribble penetration and be ready for kick outs to shooters.

Our strategy, set a ball screen at the top of the key with the occasional flex set like Tom Davis' Hawks use to run non-stop. The other three players stand around, but occasionally Brackins will post up, but the ball is not at an angle for him to receive it. He doesn't get pushed out to get it, he has to come out from the block toward the wing to receive it because our guards/wings are not in good position to get him the ball on the block.

I'm tired of hearing McD is great strategically and we run all of these 'sets'. I want an offense that has all the players moving in some way, shape, or form. That is the most difficult to defend. I recall a couple years ago, Bradley had a 7-footer who was pretty good. Their plan was their 3 guards would simply do the weave out on the perimeter, and the 7-footer would now and then make a hard post up after sealing his guy in the middle of the lane. The guards would pass him the ball, or dribble penetrate.

Colvin (despite apparently being 'called out') improvised some out of our 'sets' or made better reads. You need a talented players once in a while to 'alter' the set on his own. My best recollection of this was when he penetrated and dished to Hamilton for a nice little baseline jumper. However, I think UNI uses similar 'sets' now and they have better success executing them, as we know first hand.

Our defensive effort was poor, sloppy, and uninspired. We did not have good rotation on help side to assist with dribble penetration after the first half. We had some decent rotation in the 1st half, and we were able to get a lot of blocked shots that way. Duke started kicking out to shooters rather than keep it down low, and our close outs were slow and our shot contesting was slow/late/lazy.

Pick a number of players and play those players. Do not play Lucca a lot one game, then not much the next due to 'matchups'. The other team has to match up, so when you change your strategy to match theirs, you have already lost. If Lucca is a liability defensively against quicker guys, then pick someone better and replace him in the rotation, because the Big 12 may just be too quick for him to be where he needs to be defensively.

The video will be glaring, because it was last night when I watched (and it wasn't Kansas vs Cornell). I deleted it from DVR immediately after the game, because it angered me so much. Now what remains to be seen is how the coaches can get the players to see it and improve on everything that is evident. The players coachability is a serious question, because all of these problems have been there the entire season. Let's not forget that it is a 2 way street, but the initiation has to start with the Head Coach, and I think he is done trying the 'nice' or PC way.

I apologize for the length of this post.
 

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the thing that made me furious, is that we didnt guard the fricken posts for duke outside the free throw line. that was just unacceptable. and the fact we didnt guard scheyer tighter also.

what?

why on earth should have we guarded the posts out to the 3 point line? prior to the game last night they had taken exactly 1 three-point shot, and last night they were 1-2. Why was that a problem?
 

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Nobody has taught them how to box out on a rebound, anyone know how many offensive rebounds Duke had last night?

I'm curious how you know that nobody has taught them? Just because they aren't doing it doesn't mean they weren't taught it. But maybe you've been in every single practice that everyone on the team has ever had....

For the game, Duke had 18 offensive rebounds and we had 15.
 
what?

why on earth should have we guarded the posts out to the 3 point line? prior to the game last night they had taken exactly 1 three-point shot, and last night they were 1-2. Why was that a problem?
well, did you watch lance thomas hit probably 3 jumpers completely uncontested, and the youngest plumlee ****** have about 3 open shots also?:wink: if you dont think that not guarding the posts outside the free throw line isnt ok your ********.
 

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This team, like most of GMac's teams do not know how to rebound. They don't box out, they have not learned the simple rule of getting yourself between the basket and the player you are guarding as soon as a shot goes up, to be facing the basket when a shot goes up, and to use your butt and arms to box out.

Duke had 18 offensive rebounds last night.......ISU had only 19 defensive rebounds. That means that like 50 per cent of the time that Duke missed a shot, they were going to get a second chance. Totally un-acceptable! It has been a problem for 4 years with ISU, and yet it does not improve.

Brackins only had 2 rebounds last night! And, the 2nd top re-bounder last night, Hamilton, only played 23 minutes. This is the type of thing that makes me nuts with GMac sometimes. He never seems to go with the hot hand. Hamilton was scoring last night, rebounding, and yet he only played 23 minutes.

ISU should have pounded the ball inside all night last night, from the very beginning. It worked when they did it. ISU actually had more points in the paint last night than Duke did.

Re-bounding, free-throw shooting, and shot selection are the biggest problems this team has, and none have improved from the start of the year.
 
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well, did you watch lance thomas hit probably 3 jumpers completely uncontested, and the youngest plumlee ****** have about 3 open shots also?:wink: if you dont think that not guarding the posts outside the free throw line isnt ok your ********.

wow.

are you 13?

I thought so.

have you ever touched a basketball before?

I didn't think so.
 
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I'm curious how you know that nobody has taught them? Just because they aren't doing it doesn't mean they weren't taught it. But maybe you've been in every single practice that everyone on the team has ever had....

For the game, Duke had 18 offensive rebounds and we had 15.
Is that acceptable then, that they have been tought how to block out, but do not execute it in gametime situations? I don't know, but when I was the coach of a middle school girls team, they at least knew how to get in front of the the opposition and box out for a rebound. Sorry bad post because in my world if they are taught to do it and they don't, they sit.
 
wow.

are you 13?

I thought so.

have you ever touched a basketball before?

I didn't think so.
have you ever played basketball outside your playstation before? just because they hadnt made many shots outside so far this season doesnt mean they'll continue to miss moron. bottom line is they made wide open shots and we didnt adjust. play the age card? nice move:jimlad:.:no: you cant disprove that they had wide open shots.
 

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The perimeter defense last night was weak, which was a little surprising because it has been fairly decent up until last night. Seems it was just the team ISU was playing. Duke averaged about 8.5 3 point shots made per game, last night they had 9. They shot 42.6 per cent from behind the arc before last night, and last night they hit 42.9 per cent, so......
 

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have you ever played basketball outside your playstation before? just because they hadnt made many shots outside so far this season doesnt mean they'll continue to miss moron. bottom line is they made wide open shots and we didnt adjust. play the age card? nice move:jimlad:.:no: you cant disprove that they had wide open shots.

He's pointing out that their big men aren't three-point shooters on the season, so we left them open. That wasn't the deciding factor.