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Dallas Morning News - He's had info pretty quick. Statements from A&M's President, etc.
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Dallas Morning News - He's had info pretty quick. Statements from A&M's President, etc.
Why would the Big 12 consider either? I would rather stay at NINE teams. Rice & Houston combined can't replace A&M--with A&M's 80,000 seat FB stadium and MBB/WBB programs.
If Texas has a conference, ISU will probably in it.
If everything goes to hell, that's our worst case landing spot, the Texas/ND monster.
If everything goes to hell, that's our worst case landing spot, the Texas/ND monster.
I was talking to my dad about this scenario last night. Al, I'm not so sure that this Texas/ND monster would be such a bad thing. Chances are, there won't be too many other heavy hitters in it right? I assume that in this scenario, the Oklahoma Sooners and Tech will head west. Mizzou in the SEC. I could see the Kansas schools staying in this new conference along with Iowa State and Baylor. Then add BYU, Air Force, whoever. Just diarrhea of the keyboard right here.
I haven't read all of the posts in this very long thread, but here is my take.
If A&M left, why not keep the 9 remaining teams together and call it good? I'm sure there is no way they would keep the conference at 9 teams over the long haul, but why not?
If we lose A&M we aren't losing any TV sets because of the other Texas schools. We could still do a round robin schedule in football but we would have four non-conference games again. And in basketball we could still play every team twice and keep the conference schedule at 16 games, which opens up another couple games to play whoever we want.
I understand a 9 team conference would probably never happen, but I'm not thinking of too many negatives at this point...........which I'm sure you will all help me with.
If A&M left, why not keep the 9 remaining teams together and call it good? I'm sure there is no way they would keep the conference at 9 teams over the long haul, but why not?
If we lose A&M we aren't losing any TV sets because of the other Texas schools. We could still do a round robin schedule in football but we would have four non-conference games again. And in basketball we could still play every team twice and keep the conference schedule at 16 games, which opens up another couple games to play whoever we want.
I understand a 9 team conference would probably never happen, but I'm not thinking of too many negatives at this point...........which I'm sure you will all help me with.
You're theory is dead on. That scenario would be great for Iowa State....In the short term.
The problem I have it with it is long term, I'm not sure how viable a 9-team league would be. Who knows?
People a lot smarter than me will figure that out.
9 teams is viable long term, but one of the major problems is the non stop media barrage of how unstable it would be, and that would eventually become self fullfilling.
It almost feels like if outsiders would just stop talking about the Big 12's instability, it wouldn't be that unstable.
It almost feels like if outsiders would just stop talking about the Big 12's instability, it wouldn't be that unstable.
CW and Al, I agree with you both. It could work, but everyone would think it was unstable and the conversation would never die.
Everyone is so caught up in "bigger is better" right now, and I just don't think that's always the best scenario.
Everyone is so caught up in "bigger is better" right now, and I just don't think that's always the best scenario.
But the Big East has been a viable league with 8-teams since 2005 and they don't have a university in their conference that can match with Texas. I feel safer if ISU hitched their wagon to UT: Chris is right, UT can't go independent because they would have nowhere to put their other sports, and they can't go to another conference because they can't bring the LHN with them. A Big 12 conference with a worst case scenario of UT, ISU, Kansas, Kansas St and Baylor still has more brand recognition than the soon to be 9-team Big East. The goal out of all of this needs to be how many universities make up a viable conference while also maintaining AQ status. If any other universities leave, the Big 12 leftovers and Texas can extend invites to the candidates that they all want and can rebuild the conference.
Where did it say that UT was the one calling out A&M? I could be wrong, but I don't think that was stated in the article.
How so?
Same here.
The LHN was never really the problem. I would never have guessed.
Aggie wants out, but they don't have the fortitutde to openly come out with the real reason because they don't want to look like the "bad guy" potentially wrecking the Big 12. It's about money, plain and simple.
If last year taught me one thing, it's that we should not assume the bloggers' or the "insiders'" scenarios will come to fruition. There is constant bartering, wheeling and dealing.
Like Jaime said, Iowa State is married to the Big 12. I do not believe it will cease to exist or that Texas will find a better deal elsewhere.
Like Jaime said, Iowa State is married to the Big 12. I do not believe it will cease to exist or that Texas will find a better deal elsewhere.
What is this?
If ND were to leave the BE and join another conference they'd have to play hockey, field hockey, lacrosse, etc. I'm not sure how ISU fits?
The realignment hysteria has gotten ridiculous again. Completely changing the landscape of CFB is something that no one is going to do over the course of one month (August 2011).
A vast chunk of CFB fans hate the idea of a 64 team mini NFL, it's not going to happen. Also, ISU is not going to land in a non AQ league. We're an ancient Big 8 member and a large public university so any comparisons with Temple don't compute. No point in getting bent out of shape about what all the ******** aggy fans are saying on the interweb.
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Are they going to make more money in the SEC? Honest question.
I just take it as Aggie's inferiority complex gone out of control.
I just take it as Aggie's inferiority complex gone out of control.
DeLoss Dodds said a couple things, one being that if A&M leaves, the rest of the Big 12 will probably try and keep it together. Then he said if OU and others weren't interested in that, and the league did dissolve, that Texas and Notre Dame would make their own conference.
I assume we would be part of said conference in the unlikely event that all happened.
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Which is why I want them gone. Clearly this will continue to happen as long as they occupy the same conference as UT.
Not only this, but do they think they'll have an easier road to success in football? I just don't really see what they gain from the move.
I don't think they will make more money in the SEC. Probably will get more stability though.
as fars as the teams going to the pac12. Any team from the central time zone should think long and hard about their athletes and fans when joining the PAC12. Could you imagine all of your road games starting at 9 or 10 central? A night football game would get over after midnight...Plus the travel is killer. I would rather play in the PAC12 than nothing, but man that would suck.
as fars as the teams going to the pac12. Any team from the central time zone should think long and hard about their athletes and fans when joining the PAC12. Could you imagine all of your road games starting at 9 or 10 central? A night football game would get over after midnight...Plus the travel is killer. I would rather play in the PAC12 than nothing, but man that would suck.
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Pros of A&M leaving:
No more crazy sword-wielding Corps kids:
* Pride hurt for getting rolled by male cheerleader LOL.
No more crazy testicle-holding Corps kids:
No more crazy sword-wielding Corps kids:
* Pride hurt for getting rolled by male cheerleader LOL.
No more crazy testicle-holding Corps kids:
Yes Aggie will make more money in football. With expansion the SEC will undoubtedly sign the largest football television contract in the nation.
Aggie is butthurt. They are tired of being viewed as Austin's little brother and they hope this will allow them to step out of that shadow/tagline.
Aggie is butthurt. They are tired of being viewed as Austin's little brother and they hope this will allow them to step out of that shadow/tagline.
I remember reading that the SEC would be able to renegotiate TV deals if the conference landscape were to change, so most likely they would. But unless the Aggies use that extra $1-2 million in that paycheck to buy some "SEC Participation" feel-good trophies for football, they're just polishing a turd.
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