*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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Agreed. But that has been in the past. I think that the Big East realizes that to be relevant in the future, they need to bulk up. Hence the TCU move and all of the interest in these "leftover" Big 12 schools.
A delusion that they step out of UT's shadow.
I don't think that aTm will take KU and Vandy's spot as the SEC whipping post but clearly the SEC is a tougher league. As has been posted; aTm hasn't consistently been a third place finisher to OU and UT, so I wouldn't expect them to come in and do that in the SEC. It's like the Hawk fans that think adding UNL is a good move and brag about Big 10 parity; that's great but if there's such parity that only means league title will be fewer and farther between for conference members.
Maybe after teams start to notice that Texas/OU have an easier path to the NC and one of these teams play in the NC game consistently, there might be some SEC teams that become jealous. With 9 teams the revenue sharing will only get better. We might only be 9, but I think overall we might have actually come out a head because we can be choosy who we let in as long as we don't go out and get a Rice or Houston.
I think people need to realize that we aren't going to be a big dog anymore and we have to face that fact. People bring up the mega-conferences as the wave of the future but I think being so big will be their ultimate demise. Money is nice, but winning is even more nice. I think the path to the championship becomes very difficult in a mega-conference and while it might be easier for Texas/OU to make the NC teams will start to take notice and realize the mess that has been created. The only thing that can keep this theory together is how and when the BCS changes its bowl tie-ins because they don't operate very quickly I think ISU will be just fine.
I'm guessing based on what the 10-team Big 12 was able to do recently, a 13 or 14-team SEC willl get a new contract that is insane. You would have Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Louisiana, Alabama amongst others (possibly Virginia). That is a pretty big chunk of the population and 2nd to the Big 10. The people in these states are rabid football fans as well. Kind of like how the Big 10 saw more value in 1.7m Nebraskans than several million people from New Jersey, etc.
They could ultimately force Texas and OU into a mega-conference for that reason. If they truly want to break away from the NCAA, then OU/UT's national championships would be pretty meaningless anyway. Those two schools would want in on a 16 team playoff or whatever alternative is set up.
A 9-team conference may be viable for a few years, but within the next decade, it will have to either expand or will implode.
According to ATM Spokesperson: No Agreement in Principle
Texas A&M official on SEC move: 'There's no agreement in principle'
Do you honestly think that football playoffs are that close? I would like to see them but I think years from ever seeing this happen.
OU might join a 16 team conference. Texas will never join one unless they get a better deal than they already have or they are forced into one. I don't see the first one happening and the second one, I don't think Texas will do anything it doesn't want to do. NCAA is like a step parent to Texas they will listen when they want otherwise they operate by Texas rules.
I think you are dead right about the next decade though, but I see that the mega-conferences start to lose schools to the smaller conferences ie our Big 12.
Shouldn't we have a Giggles report or attack by now? You know, our old pal from KXNO?
You know he jus-cant-wait until ISU is in the MAC! :wub:
He is either waiting for better sources or it is too much for him to take right now. (Robot can't process information that quickly.
Him and CW are currently going at it on Twitter right now...
ChrisMWilliams Chris Williams
A 9-team Big 12 would be wonderful for ISU. Drop A&M. Add another non-con. More money. But how viable is that solution long-term? #Cyclones
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sportstalkmatt Matt Perrault @
@ChrisMWilliams You know the answer to that. TX is going to go Independent or go somewhere else. 8-team Big 12 doesn't have enough eyeballs
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ChrisMWilliams Chris Williams @
@sportstalkmatt Texas will not go independent Matt. They've said repeatedly that they don't want to. Texas wants the Big 12 to live.
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sportstalkmatt Matt Perrault @
@ChrisMWilliams Chip's latest article says that TX would talk to ND about joining another conference with them. Plus, the ESPN deal talks it
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ChrisMWilliams Chris Williams @
@sportstalkmatt Correct. But any lawyer at ESPN worth a crap has to put that language in a multi-million $ contract. The ND thing is a conf.
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sportstalkmatt Matt Perrault @
@ChrisMWilliams Remember that Chip is was wrong about a lot of stuff last time too. No A&M creates a domino effect. OU would be next IMO
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@ChrisMWilliams Chris Williams @sportstalkmatt Tramel claims that OU would never go to SEC. "Culture" stuff. OU's road to NT is much easier in current situation.
Him and CW are currently going at it on Twitter right now...
ChrisMWilliams Chris Williams
A 9-team Big 12 would be wonderful for ISU. Drop A&M. Add another non-con. More money. But how viable is that solution long-term? #Cyclones
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sportstalkmatt Matt Perrault @
@ChrisMWilliams You know the answer to that. TX is going to go Independent or go somewhere else. 8-team Big 12 doesn't have enough eyeballs
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ChrisMWilliams Chris Williams @
@sportstalkmatt Texas will not go independent Matt. They've said repeatedly that they don't want to. Texas wants the Big 12 to live.
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sportstalkmatt Matt Perrault @
@ChrisMWilliams Chip's latest article says that TX would talk to ND about joining another conference with them. Plus, the ESPN deal talks it
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ChrisMWilliams Chris Williams @
@sportstalkmatt Correct. But any lawyer at ESPN worth a crap has to put that language in a multi-million $ contract. The ND thing is a conf.
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sportstalkmatt Matt Perrault @
@ChrisMWilliams Remember that Chip is was wrong about a lot of stuff last time too. No A&M creates a domino effect. OU would be next IMO
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@sportstalkmatt Tramel claims that OU would never go to SEC. "Culture" stuff. OU's road to NT is much easier in current situation.
My money is all in on CW in that battle of wits.
If it falls through now it'll be tough for them coming back. I would view there would even be talks of penalties or even stricter rules to keep them from doing this again.
I would take a roomba over Perrault in a battle of wits.
I would take Perrault in that same match-up but only for suckiness.
The question isn't when super conferences will come into play, the question is when the TV contract bubble will burst and hurt universities all across this country.
Seriously, people were stoked for the rising values of homes until it came out that lots of people couldn't actually afford their house. How long until a sports network makes a contract it can't live up to?
It will probably end up being good for putting college athletics in line with the original intention of giving athletes a way to earn a quality education, but I'm more worried that this economic shock will explode way to close to the academic side of American universities.
Seriously, people were stoked for the rising values of homes until it came out that lots of people couldn't actually afford their house. How long until a sports network makes a contract it can't live up to?
It will probably end up being good for putting college athletics in line with the original intention of giving athletes a way to earn a quality education, but I'm more worried that this economic shock will explode way to close to the academic side of American universities.
The independent Texas talk is just complete idiot talk. It doesn't make any sense for them to not be in a conference because they need a place for all their other sports besides football and I doubt a conference would let them do that without taking football. Plus with a conference they have scheduling worked out. Who are they going to get to play them if they go independent? Especially with teams moving to 9 game conference schedules they won't get the quality of opponents they want. Notre Dame has an established list of teams they have been playing for years and that is why it works out. If ND was in conference all along and tried to go independent they wouldn't be able to schedule Michigan, Michigan St. USC, Purdue, etc. every year.
Sure he does . . because he has to hate or smear someone to elevate his position . . . he is Giggles.
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