*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Al_4_State]

"Your position is that BYU, Louisville, West Va and Cincinnati is an upgrade over Nebraska, Texas A&M, Colorado and Missouri?"

Let's look at what the Big 12 has lost/will lose:

A&M: No top 5 finish in over a half century, no national title since the 30s, one Big 12 title 13 years ago. Meaningless.

Nebraska: A power when they could bring in partial qualifiers, they became irrelevant in the Big 12 when they had to use players who could spell their own names. Nebraska played Texas 10 times and lost 9. They will get skull-****ed by Wiscy this Saturday.

Colorado: If I remember correctly, their last Big 12 title game appearance was a 70-3 loss.

Mizzou: Full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing

Great points.

WVU, BYU, Cincy and Louisville have all done much more in the past 5 or 6 yeras than Aggie, CU, Mizzou, and Nebraska, at least on the field.

3 BCS Bowl wins between the 4 schools we're proposing to add, and NONE between the schools we're losing. Last BCS bowl win for them was maybe CU in '01 or something like that.

 

[Cyclophile1]

What has Colorado and A&M done over the last 20 years? Not a damn thing. WV is probably an upgrade over Nebraska, with current success. Nebraska has done nothing the last decade. And Mizzou is a loss, but hey BYU has a NC and is a bigger brand.

Nebraska knew they needed to make a drastic change to become more competitive. The had just completed a decade of total mediocrity, where they finished the seasoned UNRANKED five times and never in the top 10. I think they could see that it was going to be a perpetual uphill climb against OU and UT from here on out.

They bailed out to a less competitive situation and greater other benefits of the BigTen. They clearly knew they were never going to be top dog on the field and took the chance to get out to a field that is deliberately level. They were a huge part of how the BIGXII got into this mess and bailed rather than try to really fix it.

 

[Boxerdaddy]

I read on the Louisville board (a guy had a chart) that L'ville basketball is the #1 revenue stream in all of college hoops and something like #17 overall including football, ahead of some "bigtime" football schools. Imagine what they might be able to do with $25 million in football money rather than $5 million. That's another potential GIANT. This is one of the main reasons I think Louisville is a great replacement for almost anyone. Their new budget would be something like #6 in the country. Louisiville is a no brainer.

I agree with you on this. Which is why I think another sleeper is USF. Not a traditional powerhouse but I think it's a decent university...pretty good research from what I read. I know they aren't ranked very high in the us news report but looks promising in other areas. I think USF and even UCF could be big time in a BCS conference.

That being said I don't know if we want to stretch the conference that far.

 

[Clonefan94]

Nebraska knew they needed to make a drastic change to become more competitive. The had just completed a decade of total mediocrity, where they finished the seasoned UNRANKED five times and never in the top 10. I think they could see that it was going to be a perpetual uphill climb against OU and UT from here on out.

They bailed out to a less competitive situation and greater other benefits of the BigTen. They clearly knew they were never going to be top dog on the field and took the chance to get out to a field that is deliberately level. They were a huge part of how the BIGXII got into this mess and bailed rather than try to really fix it.

I just had this discussion with my friend, a Nebraska fan, last night. It's amazing how you can't get this through their heads though. All I hear is Texas was ruining the conference, Texas wanted this, Texas wanted that, and their own network, that's just screwing everything up. Then I asked why Nebraska voted with Texas on revenue sharing. I said, "The Nebraska vote, could have swung it and kept Texas in Check. And on the network, I mentioned how Nebraska had network plans of their own before the Big 10 invite. He kind of denied both in a way, but in the end, just went back to repeating how Texas is a cancer and are all about the power. And that Nebraska made the smart move to a stable conference with equal revenue sharing. My final question to him though was, "So how is that going over in Lincoln, the equal sharing? Since you guys voted against it while in the Big XII, it just seems like it's something you'd like to change there." Then he just said that it was the way the Big 10 worked and it creates stability.

All in all, it baffles me how Nebraska fans have suddenly adopted this all for one mentality, basically admitting their old ways ****ed the conference, yet still pass blame to Texas.

- Rant over. Thanks.

 

[Wesley]

Nebraska knew they needed to make a drastic change to become more competitive. The had just completed a decade of total mediocrity, where they finished the seasoned UNRANKED five times and never in the top 10. I think they could see that it was going to be a perpetual uphill climb against OU and UT from here on out.

They bailed out to a less competitive situation and greater other benefits of the BigTen. They clearly knew they were never going to be top dog on the field and took the chance to get out to a field that is deliberately level. They were a huge part of how the BIGXII got into this mess and bailed rather than try to really fix it.

Check back in five years to see if it worked for nebby. The recruiting quality will be the big question. Barney Cotton can rope some steers out of texas maybe.

 

[cyfanatic]

Check back in five years to see if it worked for nebby.

It will work out for NU. Why wouldn't it? All that school cares about is football and that is why they were invited to the B10. Who knows how any team/school will be in 5 years but if I were forced to guess...I would guess NU will be very happy they made the move.

 

[Senolcyc]

Overall athletic program and overall university:

Nebraska > BYU
Texas A&M > West Virginia
Missouri > Louisville
Colorado > Cincinnati

 

[Wesley]

Texas A&M Aggies football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tam has won one out of its last ten bowl games.

 

[cyfanatic]

Overall athletic program and overall university:

Nebraska > BYU
Texas A&M > West Virginia
Missouri > Louisville
Colorado > Cincinnati

Agree...not sure anyone could argue with this!

 

[Al_4_State]

Overall athletic program and overall university:

Nebraska > BYU
Texas A&M > West Virginia
Missouri > Louisville
Colorado > Cincinnati

Revenue sports (football and men's basketball) in terms of recent achievement:
BYU = Nebraska
WVU > A&M
Louisville > Missouri
Cincinnati > Colorado

 

[Tre4ISU]

Overall athletic program and overall university:

Nebraska > BYU
Texas A&M > West Virginia
Missouri > Louisville
Colorado > Cincinnati

How do you figure that aTm is a better program than WVU? BCS bowls-WVU. NCAA tournament-WVU. Budget-aTm. Give me the performance

Also, Missouri over Louisville? I don't think so. Neither has been outstanding but Louisville is consistently among the best in basketball, not to mention their budget is very large.

Colorado may have a better university but they have had next to no football success recently while Cinci has been to a BCS bowl and have had moderate basketball success.

 

[Wesley]

Overall athletic program and overall university:

Nebraska = WVU
Texas A&M = BYU
Missouri = Louisville
Colorado = Cincinnati

Fixed the tossups for you. The schools are nto equivalent academically but on th esprots field these would be good football matchups.


For bball:

Nebraska < WVU
Texas A&M > BYU
Missouri < Louisville
Colorado < Cincinnati

 

[cyfanatic]

Revenue sports (football and men's basketball) in terms of recent achievement:
BYU = Nebraska
WVU > A&M
Louisville > Missouri
Cincinnati > Colorado

Wondering...not attacking. Are there numbers that show this? If considering revenue sports I would think that revenue is all that matters. Seems as though this might be a bit MBB heavy when ranking their success. If so...in terms of revenue does MBB success equal FB success?

Again...just wondering?

 

[Al_4_State]

How do you figure that aTm is a better program than WVU? BCS bowls-WVU. NCAA tournament-WVU. Budget-aTm. Give me the performance

Also, Missouri over Louisville? I don't think so. Neither has been outstanding but Louisville is consistently among the best in basketball, not to mention their budget is very large.

Colorado may have a better university but they have had next to no football success recently while Cinci has been to a BCS bowl and have had moderate basketball success.

Louisville has won a BCS bowl in the past 5 years. Mizzou hasn't even been to one. Cinci has also been to two BCS bowls since CU last played in a bowl of any kind.

West Virginia has won 2 BCS bowls in the past 6 years. Aggie has won 1 bowl, period, in the past decade.

Again...just wondering?

Look at this post. In terms of on-field success, those Big East schools have outpaced their ex-Big 12 counterparts. And that just isn't in terms of beating up other weak Big East schools, those 3 BCS bowl wins came against the Big 12, ACC (ok, they suck) and -GASP- SECSECSEC.

 

[cyfanatic]

How do you figure that aTm is a better program than WVU? BCS bowls-WVU. NCAA tournament-WVU. Budget-aTm. Give me the performance

Also, Missouri over Louisville? I don't think so. Neither has been outstanding but Louisville is consistently among the best in basketball, not to mention their budget is very large.

Colorado may have a better university but they have had next to no football success recently while Cinci has been to a BCS bowl and have had moderate basketball success.

It is interesting that so many people have mocked BE football over the past few years and now many of us are out there defending some of the BE programs as they might be included in our family soon.

 

[BigRedPowrWagon]

Im not saying that those teams arent somewhat good teams but what have those other teams done in football period, other then BYU. I know I know leave it to the nebraska guy to bring up history. But at least Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Colorado were a namesake in football. You guys were drooling to get Notre Dame a few weeks ago into the big 12. What have they done recently, exactly there just a name.

And i laughed when someone said Nebraska left the big 12 to be competitive. It had nothing to do with being able to hang with (the big boys). Big 10 came a knockin and we made a move. Iowa State would of done the same thing so leave that elitist crap at the door. And the fact that some of you who dont see this as a texas thing is a joke. Dont get me wrong, Nebraska did what they did. But to say texas who had a previous history of destroying conferences wasnt to blame for this.

 

[Tornado man]

People actually thinking teams like Louisville, BYU, WV, Cincy make up for losing Texas A&M? You've got to be kidding me.
Top 10 college football "fan bases" according to the NY Times.
Yes, Texas A&M at #6:

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

 

[cyfanatic]

People actually thinking teams like Louisville, BYU, WV, Cincy make up for losing Texas A&M? You've got to be kidding me.
Top 10 college football "fan bases" according to the NY Times.
Yes, Texas A&M at #6:

The Geography of College Football Fans (and Realignment Chaos) - NYTimes.com

I agree...many people are just trying to justify the current situation we find ourselves in. We all do it occasionally throughout out lives...sometimes we have trouble realizing it.

 

[Al_4_State]

Im not saying that those teams arent somewhat good teams but what have those other teams done in football period, other then BYU. I know I know leave it to the nebraska guy to bring up history. But at least Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Colorado were a namesake in football. You guys were drooling to get Notre Dame a few weeks ago into the big 12. What have they done recently, exactly there just a name.

And i laughed when someone said Nebraska left the big 12 to be competitive. It had nothing to do with being able to hang with (the big boys). Big 10 came a knockin and we made a move. Iowa State would of done the same thing so leave that elitist crap at the door. And the fact that some of you who dont see this as a texas thing is a joke. Dont get me wrong, Nebraska did what they did. But to say texas who had a previous history of destroying conferences wasnt to blame for this.

They've all done more on the field than Nebraska in the past 10 years.

Also, we don't hate you for joining the Big 10. Anyone in their right mind would.

We hate you for voting against equal revenue sharing for years, right alongside Texas, OU, and A&M, and then nearly blowing up the conference by bailing for a league that has equal revenue sharing. THEN, rather than just admitting you're a bunch of hypocrites, you just point the finger at Texas and say "but it's their fault!" when you pulled the exact same crap when you denied equal revenue sharing in an attempt to have what Texas has.

If you would just say "we're gutless hypocrites that took the money and ran", people would respect your honesty. Instead you defend your whole line of actions. If Nebraska had voted for equal revenue sharing in the Big 12 15 years ago, no one would have ever left.

 

[ajk4st8]

I dont know why people are ******** about losing a team that we have beaten ONE time, with the possibility of getting more beatable teams in the conference.