*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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That would be interesting. FSU and Clemson would be great additions. I have to wonder how divisions would work though.
BrownCounty told me in an email about his contact at Texas. It's campus employee friend of a campus employee friend who is close to those who know things in Bellmont Hall. So it's a triple hearsay kind of deal, but the jobs of the people he tells me about seem plausible.
It think it may be a bit too early to accept FSU and Clemson as being "done deals," though, unless the final numbers of the ACC contract have been synthesized by FSU and Clemson.
It think it may be a bit too early to accept FSU and Clemson as being "done deals," though, unless the final numbers of the ACC contract have been synthesized by FSU and Clemson.
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They would be great additions, in an ideal world though I'd rather KU and ISU work their way into the Big Ten. I like the 10 team setup as it currently stands, but depending on the divisions and the teams added I'm not really sold on a new 12 team Big 12.
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Can't we just jump ahead a few years to the 4 stupid 16-team superconferences already? If that ever happens, I'd prefer (bold=new teams):
ACC
North
Syracuse
Boston College
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Maryland
West Virginia
Virginia
Virginia Tech
South
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami
SEC
East
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Auburn
Alabama
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
West
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Louisiana State
Arkansas
Missouri
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
PAC
East
Arizona
Arizona State
Brigham Young
Utah
Colorado
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
West
Southern California
UCLA
California
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
B1G
East
Rutgers
Pennsylvania State
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Indiana
Purdue
West
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Iowa State
Nebraska
Kansas
This Big 12 and the Big East are the only BCS conferences that lose teams, with the Big 12 being eliminated, but it's in a somewhat geographically-sensible way. Notre Dame and BYU find homes. The Big East (aside from Rutgers and UConn) get relegated to 2nd-class status where they belong. This also sucks if you're Baylor or TCU, but meh.
ACC
North
Syracuse
Boston College
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Maryland
West Virginia
Virginia
Virginia Tech
South
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami
SEC
East
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Auburn
Alabama
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
West
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Louisiana State
Arkansas
Missouri
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
PAC
East
Arizona
Arizona State
Brigham Young
Utah
Colorado
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
West
Southern California
UCLA
California
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
B1G
East
Rutgers
Pennsylvania State
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Indiana
Purdue
West
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Iowa State
Nebraska
Kansas
This Big 12 and the Big East are the only BCS conferences that lose teams, with the Big 12 being eliminated, but it's in a somewhat geographically-sensible way. Notre Dame and BYU find homes. The Big East (aside from Rutgers and UConn) get relegated to 2nd-class status where they belong. This also sucks if you're Baylor or TCU, but meh.
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Not happening..and I hope it never does..anyone who does I do not consider a football fan.
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Good lord, 3/4 of this thread is about hypothetical scenarios; of course it's not happening, genius. I thought I made that clear with the conduction "if", but whatever.
Sorry Brah
If the increase revenues being proposed for the new playoff system reached the levels being reported, I would love to see a complete realignment of conferences into 9 10-team conferences with the 9 conference winners competing in a playoff. Seeds 8 and 9 from the Metro and WAC conferences (see list below) would play each other at the Seed 8 venue on Thanksgiving weekend. The quarterfinals would be at campus sites (Top 4 seeds host) the first weekend in December. Semi-finals at bowl venues on New Year's Day with the final game at a bowl venue one week later. Each conference would play round robin schedules for FB and double round robon for MBB and WBB.
Big East:
Notre Dame
Penn State
Miami (FL)
UConn
Boston College
Pitt
Syracuse
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Rutgers
ACC (Old School):
Maryland
Virginia
NC State
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida St
South Carolina (used to be in ACC)
SEC (Old School):
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Florida
Georgia
Auburn
Alabama
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Big Ten (Old School):
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan St
Purdue
Indiana
Wisconsin
Illinois
Northwestern
Minnesota
Iowa
Big 12 / Great Plains:
Iowa State
Nebraska
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Mountain West:
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado
Colorado State
Wyoming
BYU
Utah
Pac 10 (Old School):
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Cal
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Arizona State
Arizona
WAC:
Boise St
Idaho
Utah St
Fresno St
Nevada
UNLV
San Diego St
Hawaii
New Mexcio St
UTEP
Metro:
Central Florida
South Florida
Louisville
Cincinnati
Memphis
Houston
SMU
Southern Miss
East Carolina
Tulsa
The remaining D1 schools left out here do not belong the with group above and can create their own division for football and include 1-AA powers like Montana and App State.
Big East:
Notre Dame
Penn State
Miami (FL)
UConn
Boston College
Pitt
Syracuse
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Rutgers
ACC (Old School):
Maryland
Virginia
NC State
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida St
South Carolina (used to be in ACC)
SEC (Old School):
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Florida
Georgia
Auburn
Alabama
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Big Ten (Old School):
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan St
Purdue
Indiana
Wisconsin
Illinois
Northwestern
Minnesota
Iowa
Big 12 / Great Plains:
Iowa State
Nebraska
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Mountain West:
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado
Colorado State
Wyoming
BYU
Utah
Pac 10 (Old School):
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Cal
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Arizona State
Arizona
WAC:
Boise St
Idaho
Utah St
Fresno St
Nevada
UNLV
San Diego St
Hawaii
New Mexcio St
UTEP
Metro:
Central Florida
South Florida
Louisville
Cincinnati
Memphis
Houston
SMU
Southern Miss
East Carolina
Tulsa
The remaining D1 schools left out here do not belong the with group above and can create their own division for football and include 1-AA powers like Montana and App State.
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I'd actually like to see the current BCS schools come together and negotiate a mega national contract like the NFL does.
Then split the schools into 8 team leagues that make sense geographically. Each school would have 7 conference games and 5 non-conference games. The in conference rivalries would be great, economical, and could maintain existing rivalries. The 5 non-conference games would allow teams to schedule compelling out of conference games.
Then split the schools into 8 team leagues that make sense geographically. Each school would have 7 conference games and 5 non-conference games. The in conference rivalries would be great, economical, and could maintain existing rivalries. The 5 non-conference games would allow teams to schedule compelling out of conference games.
I agree that the conferences would be financially better off negotiating en masse like the NFL. However, the 10-team conference format I proposed provides far more compelling match-ups via the 9-game round robin conference schedule and also less travel. 3 non-conference games would be plenty.
I'm not going to lie...Anytime I see a list of like 50 schools and some guys idea of a pod system or total realignment of the stars...I just skip the entire post. Pretty sure everyone else does too.
I'm not going to lie...Anytime I see a list of like 50 schools and some guys idea of a pod system or total realignment of the stars...I just skip the entire post. Pretty sure everyone else does too.
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I'm not going to lie...Anytime I see a list of like 50 schools and some guys idea of a pod system or total realignment of the stars...I just skip the entire post. Pretty sure everyone else does too.
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
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That would almost be coming full-circle to where we were 30 years ago, when the NCAA had control over TV broadcast rights for member institutions. As you may know, certain schools weren't happy with this and wanted to negotiate their own broadcasting agreements, so they jointly filed suit against the NCAA and won (the case went all the way to the Supreme Court). That was a pivotal moment that laid the groundwork for the conference realignment we still see today.
Here's the interesting part...you know who was leading the charge against the NCAA on behalf of the schools? One Charles M. Neinas. Funny how the man who made a living fighting for schools to negotiate their own TV contracts and has his fingerprints on the gun that largely killed the traditional conferences now has to keep the Longhorn Network in check and fight to keep Big 12 schools from getting poached.
Back to your point, I would also love to see that happen, but the agreement would be hanging by a thread. All it would take is for one school to get upset with their slice of the pie and sue to make the whole thing come crashing down (since the school would have a Supreme Court ruling on their side). The NFL is different and exactly the opposite in that it has a unique monopoly exception, so I doubt this would ever happen.
Thank you, Mr. Neinas.
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