*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[cyman05]

For you guys complaining that ND will take a B12 bowl bid, you ought to realize that if ND is a partial member in football that the B12 bowl lineup will be more numerous and better if ND is available from the B12 as a selection.

And for you guys complaining that ISU will never play ND, do you really want ND added to a 9 game conference schedule, plus the Hawks, plus ND on a yearly basis?

If they join as a partial member, ISU will see more money.

The only thing that makes me nervous as many have said before is that one day down the road they'll convince Texas that they can be a partial member too. Convince me that will never happen and I'll be for ND as a partial member for now.

 

[everyyard]

I agree. ND and ISU the only concern is if it opens the door for Texas to do the same...which it could.

 

[LLCoolCY]

The Big East did it.

Well there's a conference model we should be following...

 

[KnappShack]

A lady once told me that when a man chooses to dance with the Chupacabra there are no winners.

This could apply here. I'm down to full flaccid now.

 

[jbhtexas]

If it is true that Dodds is insisting on ND coming in as a partial member contingent to any other expansion, and if there is no stipulation for ND becoming a full member after their current TV deal expires, any trust that UT might have been building amongst the Big 12 membership will be flushed down the crapper...

 

[CyBer]

If it is true that Dodds is insisting on ND coming in as a partial member contingent to any other expansion, and if there is no stipulation for ND becoming a full member after their current TV deal expires, any trust that UT might have been building amongst the Big 12 membership will be flushed down the crapper...

One thing is though is that the other big 12 AD's will surely look for this before signing anything or voting on anything. JP will know whats up with Iowa State.

 

[vmbplayer]

For you guys complaining that ND will take a B12 bowl bid, you ought to realize that if ND is a partial member in football that the B12 bowl lineup will be more numerous and better if ND is available from the B12 as a selection.

Have you looked at the Big East Bowl affiliations recently? ND didn't bring a whole hell of a lot to the table. They certainly aren't going to raise the affiliations we already have enough to make a difference.

 

[jbhtexas]

Have you looked at the Big East Bowl affiliations recently? ND didn't bring a whole hell of a lot to the table. They certainly aren't going to raise the affiliations we already have enough to make a difference.

Notre Dame didn't bring much of anything to the Big East except instability, which is exactly what they will bring to the Big 12 if they are allowed to keep FB independent.

 

[ripvdub]

They best only cut into TV money for bball. They don't get any football money, minus the games they play the Big xii

 

[RayShimley]

Notre Dame didn't bring much of anything to the Big East except instability, which is exactly what they will bring to the Big 12 if they are allowed to keep FB independent.

Exactly. I can see why Texas would want this, but how in the hell are they going to convince the other ADs and CEO's that this is a good thing for the B12? If Texas wants to play ND OOC every year in football they can do that without saddling us with their Olympic sports and the drama that goes along with that.

 

[heitclone]

How can ND not play football in the conference, but still reap the benefits of our bowl bids? I can't see anyone but Texas letting this happen.

There are plenty of bowl bids to go around, if a big 12 teams wins 6 games....they're going. The benefits of getting a piece of ND's NBC deal should outweight any concerns about bowl games.

 

[scyclonekid]

If the only way to play in the BCS national championship game is with the super conference affiliation why would Texas go indy? I agree with the OP about partial membership causing instability, but the other members have to agree with this first before anything happens.

If ND joins as full down the road then hells yes bring them in, but however Iowa State can get ahead do it.

 

[Bestaluckcy]

Exactly. I can see why Texas would want this, but how in the hell are they going to convince the other ADs and CEO's that this is a good thing for the B12? If Texas wants to play ND OOC every year in football they can do that without saddling us with their Olympic sports and the drama that goes along with that.

The WV board has rumor that Notre Dame made deal with both Big 12 and ACC depending on how the NC talks pan out. If they needed to be full member then would join ACC otherwise do partial with B12 so long as have access to NC and then can start their own network. FWIW

 

[cyman05]

The WV board has rumor that Notre Dame made deal with both Big 12 and ACC depending on how the NC talks pan out. If they needed to be full member then would join ACC otherwise do partial with B12 so long as have access to NC and then can start their own network. FWIW

Here is his post which a decent amount of posters over there seems to give the guy some credibility. Who knows, but its interesting nonetheless:


"Notre Dame had made tentative deals with both the ACC and Big 12. They were waiting to hear from the BCS about the new format before they made a decision about which conference they were going to join. Notre Dame received guarentee yesterday that BCS oversite committee would include Notre Dame in new BCS playoff format. Notre Dame has no reason to join conference in football and will renew NBC contract in 2015.

Clemson BOT is still leary about making move but are willing to go forward with FSU. Bowlsby told Clemson to sit back and wait until Big 12 was ready to move. Big 12 pressured Clemson into decision stating they would move on without them and had other options waiting if they did not decide soon. Notre Dame has been the deal breaker from the beginning. Texas made it clear that Notre Dame had to be included in this round of expansion in order for them to accept FSU and Clemson. Could also be reason expansion rumors seemed to stall (or die) last week. Big 12 waiting on ND who was waiting on BCS.

FSU has been willing to leave the ACC since Pitt and Syracuse were announced as future members of the ACC. Swaim was not 100% incorrect in reporting that UL had a shot at the Big 12. He was being used as a ploy to let Clemson know that if they did not make a decision the Big 12 would move on without them. The only other school which was being considered was BYU but were a long shot from the beginning. they were at the urging of Notre Dame. Arkansas was never being considered. Lawsuits are real possibility from Tobacco Road.

This is considered final death blow to the ACC as they are losing FSU, Clemson, and Notre Dame (essentially). Watch for other ACC schools to start to (again) explore other options.
Lastly, this information has been verified by both my sources as well as "the Dude" who I consider to be a good friend. He and I pass information back and forth on a daily basis, he is just more willing to put himself out there than I am."

Then the other "insider's" response...the guy who "broke the story" back in January:

Clemson was told to wait until the playoff format is known and ND makes up their mind. It made them angry and they said no thanks we're not waiting.

FSU decided to leave anyway with the understanding that Clemson would be left in the corpse of the ACC without them.

FSU was partly bluffing to get their friend to come along.

In the meantime the Big 12 started floating Louisville's name as a reminder to Clemson they had to change their mind again or be left behind.

Clemson's board was also on the fence about the move and they lacked the votes. The hope was the knowledge of the playoff formats and FSU intentions would force Clemson's BoT members on the fence to approve the move when it happens.

Neither FSU or Clemson have received invitations just yet. Neither will announce anything without one.

The SEC wants to go to 16 to correct their scheduling problems. The Big 12 may hit 12.5 for a while and then jump up to 16 quickly as well.

 

[Wesley]

BCS commissioners reach consensus on playoff plan - Yahoo! Sports

 

[Judoka]

"Selection Committee" to ensure that at least two SEC teams are in every year and all no non-premier conference schools get in

 

[KnappShack]

A Big 16 Conference will be inherently unstable and will not be a good thing for ISU in the long run.

There would be essentially two conferences merged and easily split.

We could be back to 2010-2011 stress before we know it.

KnappShack's dark prediction

 

[jimmycy]

Exactly. I can see why Texas would want this, but how in the hell are they going to convince the other ADs and CEO's that this is a good thing for the B12? If Texas wants to play ND OOC every year in football they can do that without saddling us with their Olympic sports and the drama that goes along with that.

We don't know what the other CEO's and AD's want. What if they all want ND? There is a rumor out there that they are unanimous as ND as the no 1 target even as a partial member. I think people are jumping to conclusions that Texas is the bad guy here. Like I said, we don't really know. It's all specualtion

 

[alarson]

Starting to be a decent amount of buzz that something big could be coming down this weekend.

 

[CycloneErik]

If that is the way the playoff will be, then the realignment party is ready to start.

That phrase "strength of schedule" can't be good news for the Big East/ACC.