I only have 1 thing to say to those who are dumbing my "lighten up Francis" post:
two guys named chris
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Meh, he was partially joking and embellished how prevalent he thinks it is. They talked about it more on this week's episode. He basically says everyone knows "fixing" games happens due to gambling. Whether it's a coach, or a ref changing the W/L outcome or trying to hit a money line.
It happened in the NBA, why wouldn't it happen in college, especially in the modern era of sports gambling?
Some of you guys sound like a toddler refusing to try new food: "I don't like it!". "How do you know you wont like it if you've never tried it?" "Because I don't like it!!".
They had Niang as a guest this week.
We watched him be an entitled asshat in college for 6 or 7 years. Just because we don't want to support his endeavors after he is out of college doesn't mean we are toddlers. Go ahead and watch or listen, we don't care. Others don't want to support him and there is nothing wrong with that either.
Honestly, he had me convinced it might be more common than I thought, at least the point spread stuff in meaningless blowouts.
Those games that are blowouts...nobody is even paying attention. I though JoBO actually had some good insight, I wouldn't have thought players were that aware of the line. Garza laughing about a line in a blowout game getting caught on tape laughing about it, I'd have never guessed players knew or cared about stuff like that.
I think there are three kinds of "fixing" that go on.
1. Fixing based on the line. Probably usually an official in a blowout game, but more rarely a player. This probably is the most common and in some ways the most harmless. The "victims" are people gambling on blowout lines.
2. Officials who are enamored or blinded by the name on a jersey, kind of jock sniffers or closet fans who became refs. The example of this is how about 70% of our basketball games where officials are the main factor in the outcome are games against KU. Doesn't have to be some broad conspiracy but 100% certain this happens in lots of sports. If this didn't exist all of our weirdest horrific basketball calls wouldn't be vs KU. You can throw refs who just can't mentally stand up to any home court crowd or coaching personality in this category too. I hesitate to even call it "fixing" but it can and does determine outcomes of games and has nothing to do with the players making plays.
3. Outright fixed games just trying to get a team to win regardless of the point spread. This is most common in major professional soccer and has been well documented. In the early 00s I watched a few soccer games where I was positive they were fixed and behold a year later Juventus is punished because they paid off refs in some of those games that determined championships. Closest thing I know of in American sports was also back when I was more of a sports megafan in early 00s and I was certain that specific NBA playoff games were fixed and then later at least one official involved in those games was proven to have fixed games. This is the most rare, but by far the most serious. Fans accurately pointing out the scientific fact that #2 is frequent/common will get mocked because others assume it has to be this, a legitimate conspiracy of sorts.
Thanks for the feedback everybody. I could write 2000 words responding to everything but don't have the time right now.
I am trying to use everything I have learned in nearly 20 years of doing this (I think I know what fans want) to make a locally owned, state-wide company be viable for years to come.
I know not everybody is like this, but I believe a 45-60 minute, high quality show without a ton of ads is very appealing to many. I know this is how I consume. Back in the day, a radio station had (and still has to) fill 24 hours a day and it never ends. Now, people have their niche-type shows (I'm a huge audio book guy, everybody has their thing) and I THINK our model here will be very popular. I know it has been thus far. The numbers have blown me away.
The fact that we don't have full-time employees - our guys are all doing this on the side - allows us to keep our overhead low so we don't HAVE to sell XXXXX ads to be profitable.
There will be bumps in the road. The social media and video components that we are wanting to hit hard are much more time consuming than I thought, so I'll add some folks behind the scenes.
My overall believe is that Iowa is just not a big enough of a market where the giant media companies are going to continue to throw money at. So I'm working on what I hope can be a long-term alternative to that. We are 100 percent locally owned and I think that will give us an advantage as we grow over the next year or two. There are zero layers when it comes to making a decision. It's me and a couple other people who make the call.
Of course, it could be a giant flop. I have put a ton of thought and research into this though. I believe if our content is quality, people will consume it and brands will want to be a part of what we are doing.
I am trying to use everything I have learned in nearly 20 years of doing this (I think I know what fans want) to make a locally owned, state-wide company be viable for years to come.
I know not everybody is like this, but I believe a 45-60 minute, high quality show without a ton of ads is very appealing to many. I know this is how I consume. Back in the day, a radio station had (and still has to) fill 24 hours a day and it never ends. Now, people have their niche-type shows (I'm a huge audio book guy, everybody has their thing) and I THINK our model here will be very popular. I know it has been thus far. The numbers have blown me away.
The fact that we don't have full-time employees - our guys are all doing this on the side - allows us to keep our overhead low so we don't HAVE to sell XXXXX ads to be profitable.
There will be bumps in the road. The social media and video components that we are wanting to hit hard are much more time consuming than I thought, so I'll add some folks behind the scenes.
My overall believe is that Iowa is just not a big enough of a market where the giant media companies are going to continue to throw money at. So I'm working on what I hope can be a long-term alternative to that. We are 100 percent locally owned and I think that will give us an advantage as we grow over the next year or two. There are zero layers when it comes to making a decision. It's me and a couple other people who make the call.
Of course, it could be a giant flop. I have put a ton of thought and research into this though. I believe if our content is quality, people will consume it and brands will want to be a part of what we are doing.
Regarding CF and IE, etc. My roll with CF has not changed. My change from KXnO to IE (which 712 Media is a core owner of) actually frees me up for CF a ton. Instead of being in studio at least 15 hours per week, (along with 5-10 hours of prep), I'm on live 3 hours per week. I can do the business stuff when my kids are asleep. This has freed up a ton of time for me that is going back to CF. You just don't always see it as I am serving advertisers, developing the company, etc.
These podcasts are a much better alternative than the eulogy kxno has been having for the Iowa football program all week.
I don't mind streaming radio, podcasting radio shows, or just podcasts.
What I like is that I genuinely enjoy the perspective of every personality on the CF and IE shows so far, even JoBo so far.
On KXNO I was lucky if there were 2-3 personalities I enjoyed listening to and two of those were you and Jon Miller who are on Iowa Everywhere.
Some of Sage's insights on Iowa's offensive struggles focusing on the type of receivers were very interesting in his last podcast and because you have an Iowa audience on there I bet he reached some of their fans. It's a good mix to have Sage, Bruns, Woody, Meyer/Blythe, even JoBo along with the media types to give some actual perspective of the people who have really been in the game.
do you still need me to mod for cyfan? got my phd now. im ready for the big league coach
Want to call out the third leg of this tripod is still the Cyclone Radio Network and the Varsity Network App makes that so easy. (although it is having trouble running for me this year after no issues last year)
Awesome to have all the games and coaches shows archived on there immediately. I had an 8 hour drive a couple weeks ago and it was great to have in the car along with the podcasts.
Awesome to have all the games and coaches shows archived on there immediately. I had an 8 hour drive a couple weeks ago and it was great to have in the car along with the podcasts.
You hesitate to call #2 "fixing" because it isn't. Refs with biases are not making a conscious effort to change the outcome of games. If he is including those in his numbers no wonder he says that 20% of his losses are "fixed". He could say that about 30% of his wins too.
It's not 'fixing' but it can be the main thing that decides a game. Some people (a LOT of people on this board) refuse to admit it's even possible. It's super possible and even kind of common.
The game where Georges was called for a foul because a KU player was laying on top of him comes to mind. Somehow that ref was just in love with KU and wanted them to win, didn't need to be a huge conspiracy, who knows why, it is what it is. It happens sometimes. I'm not talking about razor close calls where you have to look at the replay 97 times. I'm talking about...hey it's impossible that Georges could foul a guy who was laying on top of him and this is just the refs giving KU another chance after they lost the game by bricking an easy floater.
JoBo laughed at the idea that the "fix" was only against his team like of course it would be even both ways.
Would be nice if Hassell would stop with the “Sundy” and “Progrum” thing that Murph and Andy also do. It’s a very specific kind of doosh that thinks that is funny.
I think the only toddler behavior involved here is pelting people with ice in a bar, but that be unfair to actual toddlers.
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good podcast with Blum and Chris.
I think the issue here is that Iowa has had serviceable QBs in the past (not great, not bad). And you only need to be decent to keep Iowa in a game. Now that Iowa has less than a decent QB, there isn't a way to be serviceable.
Iowa only needs a B- QB ... if they have a C- QB wheels come off. And.... teams have down years/trends. Iowa is gonna have to live with what most every other school out there has... dips in performance (wins)
I think the issue here is that Iowa has had serviceable QBs in the past (not great, not bad). And you only need to be decent to keep Iowa in a game. Now that Iowa has less than a decent QB, there isn't a way to be serviceable.
Iowa only needs a B- QB ... if they have a C- QB wheels come off. And.... teams have down years/trends. Iowa is gonna have to live with what most every other school out there has... dips in performance (wins)
I listened to today. JoBo loves cursing. Every sentence seemed to have to have one in. I’m not a prude and sweat myself, just noticed it since it was so much.
Agree. Settles or somebody similar I’d have been fine with. And I feel bad for not listening because I really like Stanz. I have no idea where the people criticizing him are coming from.
I generally agree with this.
I think his premise of using a slow paced, methodical offense combined with lights out defense and special teams is pretty smart given the types of athletes Iowa can recruit most years. I generally have two issues with Kirk (not even going to get into making his son QB coach and OC)
1) the types of athletes (or lack there of) he recruits at QB. In his over 20 years as HC, he's had 3 QB's you could reasonably call dual threat (Banks, Tate, Beathard) and given their success, why the hell is he still recruiting the Petras' of the world? I don't follow recruiting that closely but it sounds like the last few QB recruits can at least run a little bit but I don't think any of them would be considered dual threat.
2) His complete unwillingness to fix issues on successful teams. For years, the Iowa defense was pretty good even when playing base 4-3 on 95% of the snaps. No matter how many times fans or writers would point out how often Iowa got burned with a linebacker covering a WR, he stuck by what had worked for him in the past, unwilling to change until his defense could no longer hold up playing that way. We see the same things with his offense. Bringing back Petras for year three as starter is the ultimate sign of this. He's not stupid, he knows Petras isn't good. But he also knows he won a lot of games (mostly inspite of bad qb play) with Petras so like he always does unless forced to he stuck with the status quo.
I get so sick of people bending over backwards to defend Petras (Jon Miller was one of them up until the end of last year) blaming everything from the o-line to the wr's. Do you have any idea how hard it is to pass block for a statue that has no pocket awareness? Do you have any idea how hard it is to catch passes from someone who can't consistently place the ball anywhere near where he intends to? Even his misses are inconsistant. He might dirt one, then throw the next one three feet too high, then the third two feet too far out in front. Then the poor running game, how exactly are you supposed to run the ball when the opposing defense is extremely confident that you can't beat them passing.
