they have another big time qb recruit coming in next yr too i think
and if walsh keeps playing like he did today im not so sure the starting job will be lunts automatically when he returns
Until we recruit better players.....
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they have another big time qb recruit coming in next yr too i think
and if walsh keeps playing like he did today im not so sure the starting job will be lunts automatically when he returns
I think ISU has been recruiting better talent, especially at WR and OL, and I think it will start to show up in the next couple of seasons. It's just that the upgrade in talent is incremental so it's not like freshman are going to come in and beat out seasoned, but less talented, seniors.
Using BCS offers as a measure, ISU's starting OL has a combined 0 non-ISU BCS offers between them. The starting WRs have 1, I think. I think Dika, Williams, Burton, etc. have a potential to pass some of the other guys on the depth chart and upgrade the OL along with a more experienced Farniok and Gannon. Same with the freshman WRs.
Same thing on the defensive end. McDonough, Laing, Scott, Maggitt, etc. are good players, but the young D-lineman appear to have more raw talent -- but they aren't the kind of blue-chippers that are going to beat out seasoned, but less-talented juniors seniors. Cousins, Bevins, Rogers, Brackens, Lawry, Aka are all guys that have potential to upgrade talent level at some spots. They won't come in as freshman and blow you away, but they will eventually provide upgrades.
Using BCS offers as a measure, ISU's starting OL has a combined 0 non-ISU BCS offers between them. The starting WRs have 1, I think. I think Dika, Williams, Burton, etc. have a potential to pass some of the other guys on the depth chart and upgrade the OL along with a more experienced Farniok and Gannon. Same with the freshman WRs.
Same thing on the defensive end. McDonough, Laing, Scott, Maggitt, etc. are good players, but the young D-lineman appear to have more raw talent -- but they aren't the kind of blue-chippers that are going to beat out seasoned, but less-talented juniors seniors. Cousins, Bevins, Rogers, Brackens, Lawry, Aka are all guys that have potential to upgrade talent level at some spots. They won't come in as freshman and blow you away, but they will eventually provide upgrades.
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For those that doesn't believe stars don't make a difference.... See Oklahoma State below:
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| COMMITMENTS | [More] | 20152014201320122011201020092008200720062005200420032002 |
| Name | Pos | Ht/Wt | Stars | Rank |
| Marcell Ateman | WR | 6-4/189 |
| 39 |
| Zachary Crabtree | OL | 6-7/270 |
| 53 |
| Darius Curry | DB | 6-1/190 |
| 46 |
| Luke Del Rio | QB | 6-2/190 |
| 28 |
| Rami Hammad | OL | 6-5/320 |
| 28 |
| Jack Kurzu | OL | 6-4/313 |
| NR |
| Jerel Morrow | ATH | 5-11/180 |
| 16 |
| Ogbonnia Okoronkwo | DE | 6-3/220 |
| 32 |
| Deric Robertson | DB | 6-2/195 |
| 35 |
| Fred Ross | WR | 6-1/200 |
| 33 |
| Jaxon Salinas | OL | 6-4/290 |
| NR |
| Ra'Shaad Samples | WR | 6-0/170 |
| 37 |
| Jordan Sterns | DB | 6-0/195 |
| NR |
| Vincent Taylor | DT | 6-3/277 |
| 26 |
| Corion Webster | RB | 5-11/185 |
| 12 |
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Speaking of Northwestern. How the hell are they able to roll out effective QB's every freaking year and we can't find one in the last 10.
Maybe then we need to start taking a look at the coaches who are grooming those offensive players? It seems the coaches on the defensive side of the ball aren't having too much of a problem turning the "no names" into functional Big 12 players.
I agree that we are getting better slowly. Remember it took Mizzou and KU a while to build up to compete in the conference and I think CPR is ahead of that.
However I think we have to worry about the QB situation. That has not improved since CPR got here. And SR can't win the job and it's not because the bar is set so high. And it shouldn't be because he doesn't know the system. So I worry about our QBs more than other positions because of history and current performance.
However I think we have to worry about the QB situation. That has not improved since CPR got here. And SR can't win the job and it's not because the bar is set so high. And it shouldn't be because he doesn't know the system. So I worry about our QBs more than other positions because of history and current performance.
Or--and I know this is rocket science--we might stop to realize that almost all of CPR's recruits are redshirt sophs and younger. Hello?
yeah, How about Northwestern. They at least can move the ball every year. I don't think they have better talent on offense overall. But they do have better qb's than us year after year, better schemes, and better execution. We need better coaching, better schemes. If Northwestern can move the ball the way they do year after year.
For those that doesn't believe stars don't make a difference.... See Oklahoma State below:
COMMITMENTS [More] 20152014201320122011201020092008200720062005200420032002
Name Pos Ht/Wt Stars Rank Marcell Ateman WR 6-4/189 39 Zachary Crabtree OL 6-7/270 53 Darius
CurryDB 6-1/190 46 Luke
Del RioQB 6-2/190 28 Rami
HammadOL 6-5/320 28 Jack
KurzuOL 6-4/313 NR Jerel
MorrowATH 5-11/180 16 Ogbonnia Okoronkwo DE 6-3/220 32 Deric
RobertsonDB 6-2/195 35 Fred
RossWR 6-1/200 33 Jaxon
SalinasOL 6-4/290 NR Ra'Shaad Samples WR 6-0/170 37 Jordan
SternsDB 6-0/195 NR Vincent Taylor DT 6-3/277 26 Corion
WebsterRB 5-11/185 12
Compare that to NC caliber teams. I would say they really overachieved last year wouldn't you? Also, what does this have to do with anything?
Those guys don't know anything about ISU and it's hard to convey that reality in a few weekend recruiting trips. All they see is facilities and what they see on ESPN.
WVU got Smith, KSU got Klein, we got Seneca, etc. Sometimes a stud does see this but we (the fans) need to do a better job of marketing our brand. There are stud QBs in Iowa right now and we'll get 'em eventually and with a little practice they can be BCS caliber.
I absolutely agree ISU needs better talent. Here's the problem - the better talent has to want to come here first. This coaching staff can offer every high 3* and 4* kid out there, but it won't matter if they don't want to come here. The only way you're going to see better talent come in here is by winning with the players we have now and putting more of those players in the NFL. But until there's a desire for better players to want to come here, it's just going to be more of the same.
We will not get better talent until we move the campus to Florida, Texas or California.
Dear acgclone,
LOL
signed,
Bill Snyder.
iowa state will NEVER be in a position to pull in 'big time recruits'. ISU recruits based on potential/diamonds in the rough cuz they have to.. not because they want to. coaching and making a minimal amount of mistakes is KEY. less mistakes = more wins = 'better recruits'
Yes, Bill Snyder has been LOL'ing at us since the early 80's, and unfortunately there's no end in sight. Hopefully CPR is the next Bill Snyder, but I'm not going to hold my breath since I believe Snyder might be THE SINGLE BEST college football coach of all time.
There's always a tiny exception to recruiting thing, but when you play in a big time conference with many southern/football schools like the B12, we're not going to get much further than the bottom 1/3rd of the conference with classes made up of 25 guys that have only 5 BCS offers between them.
I agree we won't ever be able to get classes filled with 4/5* players, but we need to find a lot more 3*'s with other BCS offers.
If we can't attract some kids that have offers from other good or decent programs, we'll never make a leap, IMO.
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so what your saying is that you can judge how good a football player is based on his offer list?
100% of the time? Clearly no.
But that is much more important than stars, IMO. Stars are just a designation that reflects what recruiting pundits think about an athlete. Offers reflect what coaches think. It's pretty simple really. If we start to get classes that have 10-15 athletes with multiple BCS offers from teams like Iowa, K-State, Wisconsin, Tech, etc, then I would feel like we're getting better players, regardless of stars.
When you pull up the offer list from our kids, it doesn't appear that many other BCS schools are interested, and that's concerning. This year's class might be the worst in terms of BCS offers that I can remember.
I hope I'm wrong, but besides K-State, I can't think of many teams that have had major success in a league as stacked as the B12.
Let's also remember that Bill Snyder built KSU into a "football power" back when the B8 consisted of Nebraska, CU and 6 average or below teams (OU was down at that time). The B8 had very lax standards for recruiting prop 48 players. Not to mention KSU had the perfect situation to pick from a JUCO pipeline right in their backyard. Outside of Nebby and OU most B8 schools had pretty sub standard facilities.
Snyder faced 7 conference games each year, only 2 of which were highly regarded teams and padded his OOC slate with 4 sure wins.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that CPR has a way harder road now with 9 conference game (many tougher football schools than in the 80's/early 90's) + Iowa every year.
.500 for us now is comparable to going 7-4 or 8-3 back then with an 11 game schedule.
Snyder faced 7 conference games each year, only 2 of which were highly regarded teams and padded his OOC slate with 4 sure wins.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that CPR has a way harder road now with 9 conference game (many tougher football schools than in the 80's/early 90's) + Iowa every year.
.500 for us now is comparable to going 7-4 or 8-3 back then with an 11 game schedule.
i understand what your saying. i just think fans in general look into recruiting rankings and offer sheets way too much. as a fan if they sign kids who work hard, play mistake free football, and help win games... im all in with that. perfect example, knott and klein... 2 of the best players in ISU history and they didnt have offers but they worked their tails off and they play the game how it should be played.
as for your kansas state big 8 post, i see what your saying again. i wasnt alive during much of the big 8.
