Vaccine reactions
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So why didn't they start using the vaccine on everyone last spring?
This is not on thread topic. Don't feed the troll. He should take his thread derail to the cave if he wants to learn something.
that’s basically what the vaccine does now. It prevents really bad cases of covid.
KidSilverhair
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Yeah, like jsb said, all the reporting on vaccine efficacy indicates not only do they greatly reduce the chance of getting infected, they also greatly reduce the symptoms if you are unlucky enough to catch the virus. At least one of them (I think J&J, I can't remember for sure) actually said it had a 100% effective rate of preventing "serious" illness for those who did get infected with COVID-19.
I'll start a new thread that's fine. I'm not trying to troll though, just trying to find an explanation to a question no one has ever answered. Guess I wont find one here either.
I believe even dose 1 of Moderna/Pfizer has some of that protection which is why the % of vaccinated nationwide always includes fully vaccinated and 1 dose.
A much higher % of people are going to get this than get flu shots.
So I'm curious if that will help any kind of annual reoccurrence. If 80% of the country got a flu shot, would the next few years of flu season have less flu just from that massive amount of flu shots, or does it not matter and each year is a new start? (I just have no idea but curious)
I assume that means a higher % of those won't even be known or reported. Even before the vaccine there were lots of cases where people fought off covid and didn't even realize it.
The longevity is one question now. Will it be needed annual? Every 5 years? Or one and done?
I would imagine just by studying worldwide they could find out in a few years.
If some country that had a massive % of vaccinations stays mostly covid free but countries with low % of 2021 vaccination continue to have flair ups I'd say that alone is some obvious proof from a non scientific observer.
As people make choices about third and future vaccinations, they're going to weigh their experiences from their first and second shots.
Obviously there are a lot of unanswered questions about future boosters. Will they be required annually? If so, will side effects decrease as people's bodies get used to them? One story I read about third Pfizer shots suggested a 10-20x increase in antibody response, so does that mean a corresponding increase in side effects? If you don't like your side effects from one brand, can you switch?
It's not hard to imagine people who reacted poorly to earlier shots deciding they don't want to experience that every year. But that also seems like a worst-case scenario too, and there are lots of things that could prevent that from happening.
Well here is something, already a month old, but high up in the google responses lol.
<https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.16.21253767v1>
"The Elderly had a 95% lower death rate from December to March; however, and no change in the death rate in other age groups. The Hospitalization rate was reduced by 80% in this study cohort for people aged 80 or older, while people who were between 50 to 70 had almost the same hospitalization rate. "
Without digging deeper, that is all good news wrt "it works".
<https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.16.21253767v1>
"The Elderly had a 95% lower death rate from December to March; however, and no change in the death rate in other age groups. The Hospitalization rate was reduced by 80% in this study cohort for people aged 80 or older, while people who were between 50 to 70 had almost the same hospitalization rate. "
Without digging deeper, that is all good news wrt "it works".
I got my second Moderna shot yesterday at 10 am.
All good initially, went to bed at 10, woke up at midnight with the worst chills I've ever had. Literally bone chilling. Put on enough layers that it looked like I was going to shovel in minus degree weather.
Didn't sleep well and shivered all night. Today I'm not as cold, but extremely tired, which I think is more the bad nights sleep than a reaction.
Glad it happened midweek and I didn't waste a Saturday at least.
All good initially, went to bed at 10, woke up at midnight with the worst chills I've ever had. Literally bone chilling. Put on enough layers that it looked like I was going to shovel in minus degree weather.
Didn't sleep well and shivered all night. Today I'm not as cold, but extremely tired, which I think is more the bad nights sleep than a reaction.
Glad it happened midweek and I didn't waste a Saturday at least.
My second shot is supposed to be on Thursday the 29th. I am considering just taking that Friday off based on people's reactions on their second shot.
It's just too early to tell. By any standard, there isn't anyone who has had the shot more than about 6 months. The research shows they are holding immunity. But to go beyond that is pure speculation until we get some people out there and can challenge them with COVID and find out.
Most researchers believe that given the makeup of the virus, it is fairly easy to mutate and the normal evolutionary progression for coronaviruses as they mutate is to become more transmissible but less dangerous over time. This has already been recognized in the COVID variants most prevalent in the USA right now. So it is possible that in a few years, the need to vaccinate decreases as the virus weakens to what is essentially another common cold virus.
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