I think the fans should get some information on some things, but i have a feeling there are a lot of things that go on within an athletic department that we don't want to or need to know about, that's why we are fans and not the coaches.
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I think the fans should get some information on some things, but i have a feeling there are a lot of things that go on within an athletic department that we don't want to or need to know about, that's why we are fans and not the coaches.
Absolutely. Maybe I take a more laid back approach to some of these things and just let them fall as they do. But I'm sure as heck am not about to go off and start bad mouthing the player, coach, or university on how every situation played out because I was not there, I don't know the details, and its not my call to make. Most importantly, it has not effect on my everyday life. I choose to donate every year because I support the teams through thick and thin. I realize that people will make bad decisions and not everything will fall perfectly. That's what maybe seperats the good fans from the great ones!
How can we blame GMac for Taggart, Carr, Stinnett and DeGand? What do you think the chances are that those players would have left if we had hired that guy from Wyoming that I saw on some B12 team's sideline this year as an assistant? I think it made no difference whatsoever that it was GMac. Those players would have only stayed if Morgan was retained. Can't blame GMac for Taylor, he had no choice but to release him. As for CJ, Brister, Vette and Jacobsen, we can get better players, so who really cares that they left, it is a win/win for the player and ISU. ISU can use the scholarships to get better players, and the players can go somewhere where they can contribute more.
I didn't list those (or any players for that matter), did I?
Didn't say that either.
Um, so that's how you justify it? A moment ago these things were not Greg's fault at all - now you simply state we can get better players?
Again, I'm not tossing all of this in Greg's lap as some are. But I'm certainly not going to sit here and believe Greg is void of blame for this - as you would like me to. A few players leaving I can understand - especially when there are logical explanations for such that don't seem to solely involve the coach. However, this latest departure isn't quite as easy to explain away at this point.
Floyd, LE and Morgan are no longer affiliated with the program - not even close. So IMO, that's should not be any sort of justification for what's taking place here.
I only use that analogy because people seem to act like this is something new. Just because it happened in the past is no reason it should continue. However, when only 2 of the 12 defections have any inkling of having something to do with a coaching conflict, I don't think this is out of the normal range. When you start playing musical chairs with your coaches, this is what happens. GMac is our 4th coach in what about 15 years? That's about 4yrs each on average. Thats a lot of coaching turnover. I firmly believe that if we stop the coaching turnover, we'll stop the player turnover. if we put all of this on GMac and get rid of him, it will only get worse.
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I only use that analogy because people seem to act like this is something new. Just because it happened in the past is no reason it should continue. However, when only 2 of the 12 defections have any inkling of having something to do with a coaching conflict, I don't think this is out of the normal range. When you start playing musical chairs with your coaches, this is what happens. GMac is our 4th coach in what about 15 years? That's about 4yrs each on average. Thats a lot of coaching turnover. I firmly believe that if we stop the coaching turnover, we'll stop the player turnover. if we put all of this on GMac and get rid of him, it will only get worse.
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You're all over the map here. What do Floyd, LE and Morgan (aka coaching turnover) have to do with Brister, WJ, CJ and company?
This is more a culmination of two years and probably three years of high expectations dashed. Too many players do not have a close enough relation ship to put out and stay on the team. The ones that did stay may be committed individuals at heart. Maybe a little Connection 101 training for all may be in order. Tough sledding tomorrow. Too much water has breached the dam. I cannot see CB as our main goto guy. He will need lots of shooting help from other players.
The whole scenario just begs the question how do current memebers really feel. From my experience with people wanting to leave, if two or three people stir the pot, others may want to follow, much like the religious gal in Stephen King's The Mist..
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So then which ones are you blaming GMac for? WJ I assume? But then you say you can understand a few players leaving with reasonable explanations. If you aren't blaming GMac for Taggart Stinnett, DeGand and Carr and CJ, Vette, Jacobsen have logical explanations, that leaves Brister and WJ. 2 in 2 years.
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I think fans deserve to hear more than why everyone is wearing a smiley face. This was the face of your team next year. And the cupboard is not that full.
See, you're clearly not reading my posts. Never did I put the blame on Greg here - I'm merely stating it's impossible for him to be void of it - especially when he's lost so many guys.
Curious, maybe we need a babysitter for a coach at Ames now that you mention it. Five strikes and out Mike should have been able to have controlled himself more. Tags did not sho that much yet he plays for memphis. Never did see much of the Vette. On and on. Yeah, each one has a story. Yet the most endangered species is a senior bballer at I-State.
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I'd Be Very Surprised if G-Mac say Much About Wesley
I doubt G-Mac can say much about the situation, since it was a personal decision by Wesley. My guess is the extent of G)Macs comments will be that he was taken by surprise by Wesley's decision.
I do think G-Mac needs to comment about the high number of defections. Why does he think they are happening? Are they not doing a good job of screening kids? Is G-Mac not involved enough in the recruiting process - relying on his assistants to develop relationships & he's there to close the deal.
I'm not in the camp that says losing WJ is an indicator of a big problem within ISU hoops. At this point most of the G-Mac defections were from his initial class - Taylor, McIntosh, Dunson, C Johnson & W. Johnson. My hope is that is a function of the limited time the staff had to put together that recruiting class. From G-Mac's 2nd class there are still 4 of 6 at ISU. If that class is intact 1 year from now, I think we will have turned the corner in creating a stable program.
I doubt G-Mac can say much about the situation, since it was a personal decision by Wesley. My guess is the extent of G)Macs comments will be that he was taken by surprise by Wesley's decision.
I do think G-Mac needs to comment about the high number of defections. Why does he think they are happening? Are they not doing a good job of screening kids? Is G-Mac not involved enough in the recruiting process - relying on his assistants to develop relationships & he's there to close the deal.
I'm not in the camp that says losing WJ is an indicator of a big problem within ISU hoops. At this point most of the G-Mac defections were from his initial class - Taylor, McIntosh, Dunson, C Johnson & W. Johnson. My hope is that is a function of the limited time the staff had to put together that recruiting class. From G-Mac's 2nd class there are still 4 of 6 at ISU. If that class is intact 1 year from now, I think we will have turned the corner in creating a stable program.
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I don't get what is so hard to understand. IMO, Taggart, DeGand, Stinnett, Carr, Stinson and Blaylock all left because Morgan was fired. I don't believe any of these guys ever touched the practice floor for GMac. i don't think it mattered who the new coach was, none of these players were going to come back. CJ and the others seem to have reasonable explanations for looking elsewhere. That leaves Brister and WJ. Even if GMac was 100% at fault for their departures, that's 2 in 2 years, not the massive problem everybody is ready to slit their wrists about.
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We are not even through summer yet, so more may happen. When people transfer to schools like Augustana and maybe Wartburg and go back to engineering school, you have to wonder: how can we compete with them. Corey would have been as good as BP. Ross could have developed a lot more. Vette never started his engine. Maybe Brock's knees were not as bad as we thought. He just lost the will to play.
Reread the post you just quoted. Read it 5 times. Tell me if you see Taggart, DeGand, Stinnett, Carr, Stinson or Blalock listed in that post.
OK, so you "absolutely cannot agree with that" when I state that Taggart etc. was not GMac's fault. So I ask which players you do blame him for and you reply that you are not blaming him, but it is impossible for him to be void of blame-huh?
Why don't you tell me which ones you do blame him (even in part) for and then we can have a reasonable discussion? This "I didn't mention those names" and me trying to guess who your referring to is ridiculous.
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I swear, it's like talking to a wall here.
Greg shares in the departure of the players that have left under his watch - he has to. At what extend, I have no idea. But to sit there and think he's completely void of blame, which you are, is completely naive.
And yet, you continue to go back to players that left before Greg arrived - or shortly after he did - which I've not once claimed he had a role in. Getting my point across to you is like trying to herd cats...
Greg shares in the departure of the players that have left under his watch - he has to. At what extend, I have no idea. But to sit there and think he's completely void of blame, which you are, is completely naive.
And yet, you continue to go back to players that left before Greg arrived - or shortly after he did - which I've not once claimed he had a role in. Getting my point across to you is like trying to herd cats...
I've read the post many times, it doesn't say anything. you're not saying he is to blame for those players because you didn't list them, but he deserves some blame, but you won't say for which ones. you didn't say he was to blame for Taylor, but he deserves some blame for some lost players who you won't name. You can accept losing players with reasonable explanations, but again you won't say whether CJ etc. have reasonable explanations.
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