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A bit wordy, and maybe rambled a bit. But this is my take on the "Man in Black" storyline.

I think the Man in Black is the Man in White in the future. There is scenes from the "previews" at the end of the show where it shows that he and Delores are getting close, and in the first episode it talks about the "past" that the "man in black" and Delores had. My friend first told me this theory before the episode this past Sunday, and I didn't really pay it any mind. But while having that thought in my head and watching the previous episode, I think it could really be a possibility. Some reasons, The "man in white" is a new comer and he is learning all the things that the world has to offer. It shows him wanting to do the adventures and storylines rather than just ******* and killing at first. They have the interesting moment when he gets shot and realizes that he can get hurt but not killed, where he seems perplexed but relieved. Then the biggest thing was the fact that we don't know (yet) is if these storylines are all within a certain time frame, or if they are years and years apart. There is no frame of reference, yet, that makes us think that these things arent all happening at the same time as when we started in the first episode. The main thing that makes me think it is not happening at the same time is the final scene with Delores, where she has her "inner monologue" reminding her of the storyline that she was in. Where she sees the "man in black" in the face of the rapist, and where she sees the shot wound in her stomach that isn't there. When she is riding off, it seems that she gets away without getting shot, but then ultimately ends up in the arms of the man in white, shot from that gunshot while she was riding away. Or at least that is what they want you to think. I think that those were 2 completely different times of the same storyline. I think the final scene where she ends up with the gun-shot wound in the stomach with the man in white, was the memory that she had when she was "seeing" the gunshot wound while at the house. The scene where we saw her running away on the horse and doesn't look to get shot, was because she actually didn't. The final scene was from 30 years ago, the first time she ever went through that storyline as a host. Now, I know that those 3 things don't directly point to the "man in white" being the now "man in black" but I think the fact that there is a "split" in the storyline where one thing doesn't seem to happen, then we see something else happen in a different scene, but seems like it is the same scene, shows that there is a time difference in this storyline and there is a reason for it. And I think the only true link of those storylines are those two characters (man in white/man in black).

EDIT: DIdn't see that Business Insider post before mine, but I guess it is essentially the same thing I am saying. I just think the final scene with Delores, in the most recent episode, will tell us a lot about this "MIB Storyline"
 
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Possibly William is in the past and doing the park as a white hat, and then will decide to redo it as a black hat. The main reason I don't think so is the first episode when Ford is chatting with Wild Bill. The technology was simply a lot clunkier in the beginning. And it is said Delores was first. So William seems to be with the latest version of Delores. I think he is just there for the love interest. He will fall out of love with Logan's sister, and fall in love with Delores.

I agree with an earlier post that MIB is possibly Arnold, or the spirit/mind of Arnold. He got cross-wise with Ford and corporate in the past and was banished to the park. He wants to get back down to the lower levels to get his revenge. My guess (at this stage).
 

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I could see that. How else could someone come to the park for 30+ years at $40,000 a day.

He said he's been 'coming here for 30 years', not been here for 30 years. He also said at one point that this time he wasn't leaving, meaning the past times he did. I don't think I buy either of the theories about him we've seen so far.
 
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He said he's been 'coming here for 30 years', not been here for 30 years. He also said at one point that this time he wasn't leaving, meaning the past times he did. I don't think I buy either of the theories about him we've seen so far.

I was going to respond earlier. That's what I've gathered from it, too. Not that he was there the whole time; on the contrary, it was THIS time when he planned to not leave.

I think it'll be interesting to see where his storyline goes. It's sort of better without knowing his backstory - maybe he's just independently wealthy via either legitimate or crooked means. Or, maybe he IS the co-founder. I'm not sure that knowing that actually makes me more interested in him - it's more intriguing without knowing why he's a sociopath.
 

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One thing I did notice that might support the man in white being the man in black theory, is that when the man in white got shot, there was quite an impact and he was knocked down. The other times we've seen people shot it barely had any affect, just some dust puffs off the clothes. Maybe they have softened the impact over the years. However, they clearly showed that the early models were not as good as the present day models as CycloneWarning pointed out. So I think it would be kind of BS if they do the 30 years in the past story line thing.
 

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Doesn't seem likely after last night as it seems our gal and men in black/white are in the here in now or at least the shows here and now.

Glad this is on Sunday nights this fall since I swore off the Walking Dead after end of last season. Sure as heck don't know what's going on in the show but it's got my attention for sure and it's on my must sit down and watch which is currently a list with only one show on it. So many interesting characters. Phone rang during show last night (family member calling ) did not answer. :)
 

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So the MiB runs a company that saves people's lives and he enjoys his vacations.

Yeah. And the black hat, white hat guys belong to a family (one which white hat married in to) that is owner of West World? Anyone else interpret their interaction that way? The black hat guy said, "The family is always about business".
 

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Yeah. And the black hat, white hat guys belong to a family (one which white hat married in to) that is owner of West World? Anyone else interpret their interaction that way? The black hat guy said, "The family is always about business".
White Hat is married/dating Black Hat's sister.
 

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Yeah. And the black hat, white hat guys belong to a family (one which white hat married in to) that is owner of West World? Anyone else interpret their interaction that way? The black hat guy said, "The family is always about business".
I don't know if it is West World that they own, but whatever business they are in has a direct correlation to West World. Was my understanding.
 

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what was with the family in episode 1 who came across Delores painting. wtf, who brings their kids to a world of robot rape and murder?
 

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what was with the family in episode 1 who came across Delores painting. wtf, who brings their kids to a world of robot rape and murder?
There was a part at the beginning when a guy is talking to his friend about the past times he had been in the park. Said "First time it was a family trip, hunting, fishing, camping. Next time, straight evil, best two weeks of my life." So there must be storylines and things that can be catered to children/families.
 

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The last two episodes have sure set up Anthony Hopkins as bad guy in chief.

I'm looking at a swerve here.
 
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There was a part at the beginning when a guy is talking to his friend about the past times he had been in the park. Said "First time it was a family trip, hunting, fishing, camping. Next time, straight evil, best two weeks of my life." So there must be storylines and things that can be catered to children/families.

I may have missed it, but how many guests do they allow in the park at a time. I realize the world is big, but if I took my kids on the family trip part of it, how do the other more scandalous quests not bleed over into my little world.
 

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I may have missed it, but how many guests do they allow in the park at a time. I realize the world is big, but if I took my kids on the family trip part of it, how do the other more scandalous quests not bleed over into my little world.
Now, this I obviously don't know, and where the sotryline meets the backstory and is a bit questionable. Probably not something that the creators of the show were too worried about. I think that the first episode was for the sake of us, viewers, to show us how the world worked. How things change with simple interactions, how you can do different things every day and it doesn't necessarily "change" the world. And I think they just wanted to show that it was still an amusement park, even if the recurring guests choose to go "evil" there are still enough things/storylines/activities that they can all happen in peace. But you do bring up a fair point.
 

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The last two episodes have sure set up Anthony Hopkins as bad guy in chief.

I'm looking at a swerve here.
I think it is safe to assume there is some connection with Hopkins and Harris' characters. What that is, remains to be seen. But there was a glimpse of them talking to each other, in Westworld, in the "preview" after the episode last night.
 

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That was a lot of fun watching the Snake Lady and Hector be brought around on their loop again to shoot up the town and go after the safe. No one knew the first time that she was anybody. And now they have tied in Wyatt as her enemy. Interesting.