What do you think of Caitlin Clark?

What is your perspective about Caitlin Clark?

  • Team Steph. I am at least somewhat supportive of her because she is so good for women's sports.

    Votes: 128 33.7%
  • Team Alisa. I don't care about Caitlin Clark because she is a Hokeye.

    Votes: 232 61.1%
  • Team Steph/Alisa. Please explain how you reconcile these two apparently mutually exclusive options.

    Votes: 20 5.3%

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67CY

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The amazing thing to me is that Dowling never made it to the state tournament with her. I believe that is a correct statement.
Did she whine and ***** all the time, or has she learned that from her whiney and ******** coach sweet Lisa?
 

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Id say James harden, elite offensively but doesn't really engage at the other end.
I think you're way off. Harden is a big guard with range.

Clark can break your ankles and rain from half court. She's not a bad defender. She knows her important is to stay on the floor.
 

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Shes a good player, but her antics ruin it for me. Such a typical hok.

You would think the hoks and their fans would realize the way they all act doesnt do them any favors, but then again their fans act the same way so...

I guess its who they all are, I mean go on a college visit, they basically make their attitude part of the tour, calling it Hok Pride or something like that. They wear their ****** attitude like a badge of honor.
 
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I guess if you view equal scholarships as being the primary aspect of equality, then sure. But equality goes way beyond Title 9 requirements. I'm talking more about equality in terms of public perception, which means fandom, viewing opportunities, and more.
I enjoy WBB more than most, have had season tkts for ISU for a long time, but I wonder how much money should really be spent on the sport. Do even the top programs break even? I believe ISU finishes in the hole most yrs though I could be wrong on that.

It's popular but only when you catch lightning in a bottle does it really become popular Iowa with the Caitlyn Clark show, ISU back in the late 1990 early 2000s with our attendance peak. I guess UConn would be the exception. I've seen Stanford on TV some nights they don't draw that well S. Carolina does since Staley (Spelling) and Boston. Baylor's attendance has cratered since Mulkey left (don't know LSU's attendance #s)
 

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I enjoy WBB more than most, have had season tkts for ISU for a long time, but I wonder how much money should really be spent on the sport. Do even the top programs break even? I believe ISU finishes in the hole most yrs though I could be wrong on that.

It's popular but only when you catch lightning in a bottle does it really become popular Iowa with the Caitlyn Clark show, ISU back in the late 1990 early 2000s with our attendance peak. I guess UConn would be the exception. I've seen Stanford on TV some nights they don't draw that well S. Carolina does since Staley (Spelling) and Boston. Baylor's attendance has cratered since Mulkey left (don't know LSU's attendance #s)
I think in terms of money you could count the number of break-even programs on two hands, at most. I think it's important to remember, though, how young women's basketball is. Most schools didn't have teams until the 70s, and the NCAA didn't have a women's tournament until 1982. The WNBA didn't exist until 1996. It takes generations to establish a strong fandom around a sport in the best of circumstances and that's even harder when the men's equivalents already saturate the media market.

Certainly Clark is a bit of lightning in a bottle, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a sport that doesn't have some sort of similar athlete or moment that propelled it to greater popularity.
 
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Really damn good player. From things I've heard from some very close sources, her and her parents are not pleasant people to be around
Yeah. I think there's a reason that the Joenses got out of the Iowa City metro for college and that the Clarks got out of the DSM/Ames metro.

Not exactly great families but two just incredible basketball players.
 
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I understand what Steph is saying and I respect. Me personally I don't view the enemy as people, I view them as disposable.

I love the way you never shrink back from your dislike for the Hoks. It is always inspiring.

However, it begs the question of whether you view any of these "disposable Hok fans" as "paying clients?" Or do you "dispose of them" once you find out prospective clients are Hok fans?
 

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Clark certainly does plenty that is irritating, especially as a leader of a rival team, such as her chicken-winging, falling, and whining. However, an objective person could dislike some the main parts of Ashley Joens' game, such as her frequent falls and baiting defenders into fouls. Ashley has to lead the league in number of times she is on the ground. I'm not saying they are the same, but just saying that both have aspects to their game that may not be generally appealing. Yet, both are great players who excel consistently over a period of years, including when the games are biggest and the outcome is on the line.

The thing that always pulls me back toward Team Steph is how much I see happening nationally that is related to Clark. I wish they were paying more attention to Joens, but Clark is the one that is extending the Steph Currie affect in all types of basketball. Surely Currie is on Team Steph and not just because of his name. Seriously, Clark may have impact on the game that Currie could never have. For instance, the WNBA is much more likely to try a 4-point shot than the NBA.
 

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In one of the best episodes ever of the Title IX podcast, Steph and Alisa have a great debate about Caitlin Clark. Should we met at least generally supportive of her because she is so good for women's sports? Or must we not care about her because of our dislike for the Hoks? Epic discussion on the podcast.

Clark is a very good player.

Clark is also a volume scorer who plays on a a team set up to make Clark the focus of everything.

Clark also appears to engage in arrogant, mean-spirited antics and complains about every single potentially adverse call just like a McCaffrey would.

So, no, I won't be supportive of Clark personally, though if more people start watching women's collegiate basketball regularly, I consider that a great thing.
 

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I guess if you view equal scholarships as being the primary aspect of equality, then sure. But equality goes way beyond Title 9 requirements. I'm talking more about equality in terms of public perception, which means fandom, viewing opportunities, and more.

That's not how it works. Entertainment that is more popular gets more fans, attention and money. Not sure what Clark will do for WBB other than inflate the egos of Iowa fans who are now all of a sudden WBB fanatics. Same thing with baseball. Nobody outside of their fan base really cares that much.

Watch what happens when Clark leaves Iowa.
 
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That's not how it works. Entertainment that is more popular gets more fans, attention and money. Not sure what Clark will do for WBB other than inflate the egos of Iowa fans who are now all of a sudden WBB fanatics. Same thing with baseball. Nobody outside of their fan base really cares that much.

Watch what happens when Clark leaves Iowa.
During realignment, there's been a lot of points made by Iowa State fans that popularity is at least partly a product of media exposure. That's partly true for women's basketball as well. I believe the article below is the one cited on the Title IX podcast about women's basketball viewership. Viewership numbers up across the board. Sure, they still fall way short of the men's equivalents, but especially considering the fact that men's basketball had a decades-long head start on women's, the growth is impressive.

Sports are entertainment, but they don't function the same way as a movie or TV show does, where it automatically gets fans because it's good. People largely become fans of a team or sport because they watched that team growing up, or because they went to games with their parents. Then they pass that fandom down to their children, who pass it on to their children. Passing a law doesn't erase years and years of assumptions and road blocks built into the system that women's sports have to overcome. Maybe women's sports are naturally less entertaining/popular than men's, but the recent increase in viewership alone is evidence that we haven't reached the correct market equilibrium.
 
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Clark is a very good player.

Clark is also a volume scorer who plays on a a team set up to make Clark the focus of everything.

Clark also appears to engage in arrogant, mean-spirited antics and complains about every single potentially adverse call just like a McCaffrey would.

So, no, I won't be supportive of Clark personally, though if more people start watching women's collegiate basketball regularly, I consider that a great thing.

The bolded part of your post is the debate in a nutshell. Is it possible to do both?
 

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I love the way you never shrink back from your dislike for the Hoks. It is always inspiring.

However, it begs the question of whether you view any of these "disposable Hok fans" as "paying clients?" Or do you "dispose of them" once you find out prospective clients are Hok fans?
Can’t speak for him but if I see a business with black and gold in its colors, a vehicle of theirs with a Hawk decal, a worker wearing a Hawk hat, etc they are dead to me.
 
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