Just think how ****** Tom Brady's QB coach at Michigan was the guy barely played in college.
What's the problem with offense besides Tom Manning?
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Part of it comes from the mistake some people have comparing our best QB ever to some of the great QBs across the country at the time. Just a few random examples for the same span would have been Fields, Lawrence, Burrow, Young, etc – all incredibly good and flashy in college. If you want to compare Purdy to any of them at their peak, you’re always going to come away disappointed. Part of that is because he wasn’t flashy and part because he also had fewer elite talent around him. If instead you look at what he did for his given ISU teams in context, you’re much more satisfied.
I think people underappreciated Purdy, Montgomery, Hall, Kohler, Allen, Shoener, etc. It was a perfect storm of talent and some of the best we’ve ever had at the respective positions. But, it’s also why I think people question (right or wrong) Manning. Was Manning really that good of an OC or did he just happen to have the best talent we’ve ever had to work with? Did he maximize their talent or hinder their true abilities? Really, only time can say definitively. I think this year is the first good glimpse into what Manning can do with different skillsets, and we're early to see what adjustments he can make to adapt.
No need to fire Campbell. He will take another job. 100 million reasons not to stay at a school with fans that are going to tell him what to do. My memory is good enough to remember the days before Campbell.
Do you have an explanation as to why we see the same issues of special teams disasters, poor OLine play, mental mistakes, and the offense struggling to score agaisnt equal or better competition then? Or do you think everything is perfectly fine?
I see you dumbing posts and whining about other people all the time but I haven't seen you weigh in on anything execpt your opinions on other peoples opinions. Aren't you a former player? If so you should have some insight on stuff we're all missing that could be helpful here instead of just firing your bullets of rage at people.
Some deductive reasoning makes me think that he's being told the opposite of what you're saying tbh
The chart says the QB should only run on QB designed run plays.
Manning has been very open, at least behind the scenes but I think publicly too, with the fact that he doesn’t like QB’s scrambling. It was well known that Purdy was instructed to throw the ball away when protection or the play breaks down. Not saying if that was right or wrong, but it has always been his preference and likely always will be.
Unfortunately, with a line that can’t maintain protection or get good penetration, there will be more plays that break down than you might see elsewhere. With that, I’d probably lean towards “smart scrambling” – allowing the QB to be mobile but always using the sideline or a slide rather than taking unnecessary hits. You obviously can’t always avoid every hit, but you also give up a lock of hard sacks by not allowing for some mobility. Not to mention that I think it creates a dynamic where a player like Dekkers thinks too much when deciding what to do and it creates for a terribly slow first step.
I'm not a coach and I am not at practices so I am not going to pretend to know what the issues are. All I can do is go off my experience, and my experience is that most of the time the coaches had a sound game plan in place but it wasn't executed by us players. The coaches didn't make Noel fumble a punt because he took his eyes off the ball. The coaches didn't make Downing premature snap because he wasn't concentrating.
I don't think things are as bad as some of you do.
I dumb posts that are dumb and most of the time they are so dumb they don't deserve a response. The constant ******** about this coach or that coach gets old, it isn't going to change anything and half the time it's knee jerk reactions from Monday Morning QB's who have never watched one play of real game film in their life and wouldn't even know what they are looking at if they did.
In previous posts I laid out my gripes with the offense:
1. Not being committed to running the ball at 3 -5 yards a carry
2. Not running the ball with quick developing run plays
3. To long of developing route trees that don't seem to compliment each other.
We've been kicking ass for the last 5 years. It's like you guys just forget what has happened.
I would bet my salary that all 3 of those coaches will have down years. Hell the dip **** at Kansas State has already had down years.
CycloneErik
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Tom Manning, Tom Manning, Tom Manning!! If he could not find a way to win decisively with the team we had last year, it is going to be all downhill from this point forward!! Can you imagine what Andy Reid could have done with our 2021 team?
You need to be smarter than this. We all need to be smarter than this.
From 2017 through 2021, we had the second most conference wins of any team in the conference. If any other team or any other coach had this record, you'd easily concede they'd been kicking ass for 5 years. It wouldn't even be a question. So why won't we give credit to our team and our coach for doing that?
Do you know why we had the second most conference wins? Because every team in the conference had a year that they were not as good. We had 29 wins and the next was Oklahoma State with 28. They had one year where they finished 3-6 in the conference. We were incredibly consistent. No other team was that consistent.
EVERY TEAM HAS DOWN YEARS. EVERY COACH HAS DOWN YEARS. Gundy had a bad year. Texas has bad years. They all have ******* bad years.
So, yes, we kicked ass for 5 years in this conference. It was good by our history. But it was also good for any team.
And why are we so certain that we will never win another game? The next time a Campbell team doesn't bounce back at some point will be the first time. Maybe this is the year where they completely fall apart. But it hasn't happened yet, so I'm not going to concede that it will.
CycloneErik
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Consistent and kicked ass aren't exactly the same. Smart folks know that.
Give credit to the coaches for doing better than we've usually done. It wasn't an earth-shaking level of success. It shouldn't hurt to acknowledge that.
I don't think you could find a comparable talent combination in ISU history with a QB and RB on the same team as Purdy and Hall/Montgomery. The only thing that comes to mind is if Wallace and Davis played on the same team.
So you don't think we've been the 2nd best team in the conference for 5 years? Who else has been better (obviously beside Oklahoma)? And frankly, 2nd best is kicking ass.
And I was responding to some idiot that claimed the Kansas State coach was kicking ass, the TCU coach was kicking ass, and the Kansas coach was kicking ass. My point was you can't claim those teams are kicking ass without acknowledging what we've done and what they haven't.
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Read an article that the 49ers changed his footwork so he throws off his front foot. He was throwing a lot off his back foot at Iowa State. Don't know why we never addressed that.
CycloneErik
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Well, you can. At least 2 of those 3 are on pace for 9 wins. That's been our peak season. Otherwise, we're sitting around 7-6 for 2 of the last 3 years. That's just getting by.
And no, Oklahoma State has probably been better, with the exception of whatever happened to cause that down year.
