Who's the best player in the State of Iowa...
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So are you defending him in that statement? Thomas is a much improved defender, but niang would eat him alive 1v1 if he wanted to. If you can't even get a shot off for 13 min, I'm sorry, you aren't that great.
Hilton magic + epic collapse by Iowa gave you a 1 point win. And Iowa has played their best ball since then. I don't think its unreasonable to claim Iowa is the better team, but you are right, head to head is the decider, and you won. I'd like to see a rematch - what a tournament game that would be.
Niang has been the better player over the last 4 years, but Uthoff has been better this year. Niang is clearly better offensively, but Uthoff is clearly better defensively. I think both of us are happy to have them on our team, and neither fanbase would want a swap.
Niang is better and the stats back it up. I don't see how you can say Uthoff has been better this year. I do think Uthoff is a little better defensively (even if advanced statistics disagree) but it doesn't make up for how much better offensively Georges is. Niang is an elite scorer who also makes his teammates better offensively
Teamrankings.com doesn't list a PER, only some Efficiency rating that their website made up. I guess you can use that if you'd like, but I've never heard anyone make an argument for a player based on their "Teamrankings.com Efficiency Rating". It doesn't hold much weight.
The actual PER ratings for each player are 30.4 for Uthoff and 26.6 for Niang. That's a fairly sizeable gap. Also, Uthoff's defensive win shares (1.2) are 33% greater than Niang's (0.9) despite having one less game on record (prior to tonight's game against Rutgers). Again, this is a very large gap and only helps to confirm that Uthoff is vastly superior defensively, which anyone with eyes would agree with.
The advanced statistics don't show that Niang is better defensively. Also, Niang may make his teammates better but he also turns it over twice as often as Uthoff. For you to make the argument that Niang is definitively better than Uthoff is nothing more than pure homer-ism.
You're right, I read the defensive rating wrong. My fault.
I linked the PER for you though
Again though, that's not PER, that's some efficiency rating their website made up.
Intangibles. 3.5 yrs worth of leadership, clutch baskets down the stretch, playing all 5 positions.
Niang has Uthoff beat in those departments. That writer is a Big 10 homer HACK.
Uthoff's first two seasons? Iowa choked down the stretch so many times. You Hawk fans have amazingly short memories.
It was either, White, Uthoff, Marble, Gesell--unable to CLOSE out teams several times while Niang & co beating teams
I've never really seen PER laid out for college players. I like it a lot for NBA, but I don't know what to think of it for NCAA. The fact that Hield is 13th, Niang is 31st. and Uthoff is 44th makes me skeptical.
First thing that came up when I Googled College PER rankings.
I know ESPN has a system they use but they also make up their own RPI that's always wrong compared to the official ones so I really don't know what is the official one
Honest question, yeah Niang has more turnovers but he handles the ball a lot like a PG bringing the ball up the court vs. Uthoff. Wouldn't that account for more turnovers? Doesn't Niang have better ball handling skills?
Yeah, it would. That and the fact that Iowa State plays in the Big Tweleve, which is an up-and-down league, meaning Iowa State gets more possessions per game than Iowa does (and thus more possessions to accumulate counting stats like points, rebounds, assists, and, yes, turnovers).
I'm not trying to argue that Uthoff is better than Niang. I'm just trying to point out that those who think Niang is clearly better are objectively wrong. There is a case to be made for both players.
Dear Lord, you do realize that you totally bolstered Uthoff's case.
Oh, and BTW John Hollinger of ESPN came up with the Player efficiency rating. http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html
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