If the B12 remains intact and moves forward

[NWICY]

I say a different direction would be ideal. You sell a $100 per season package for the B12. You tier 1 your top 2 games each week to pull 10-12 MM from the old school media sources. Then place the remaining 4 games (ones not picked up that way viewers have to get the package because they don’t know who will be where at any time) on the package. If each school can hook 10,000 subscribers, say we go to 12, that would be 12 MM for football. Now do the same for BB and you probably can gain at least half that. Now you have popped 30 MM in media rights which is where we are now basically.

If we can avoid the big hit and stay where we are financially, then slowly grow we will be ok. All the $$$$$ people talk about is like saying everyone has to drive a Porsche or Rolls Royce. lots of folks get by with a Chevy Ford, or a Toyota just fine.

More money doesn't necessarily transfer to on field success see Texa$ for a prime example of that, and poorly managed budgets can still lead to debt (Iowa)

 

[isucy86]

Well you guys seem to think nobody wants Iowa State, so that’s a moot point then. But elevating Cincinnati and BYU and giving them more than they have now, while we get far less, should work out really well.

This is a fan board and who knows where ISU will be when the realignment dust settles. I am optimistic ISU will be attractive to the Big10 if it expands, but if it doesn't then ISU will have to create its own future.

Instead of saying life sucks and we should shutter the program there are options. Cincinnati, BYU, Memphis, Boise State, UCF, SDSU ALL have better football results over the last ten years than Rutgers and Maryland had during the ten years before they were invited to join the Big10.

Sure the Big12 would be a step up in competition vs. AAC or MWC- but most of the Big12's realignment candidates have shown they can win games. Also a school like CSU would see an interest bump with all the ISU, KU and KSU alumni in the Colorado front range.

 

[Klubber]

It’s really funny to watch the people that have been saying Iowa State and the remaining schools don’t add any value to conference tv packages try to pivot to Amazon will pay them

you really can’t make this up.

Amazon and the rest aren’t going to overpay for product that has been deemed to have a low value. They may throw some dollars out to get ready to try to hook one of the conferences that would matter to their bottom line, but Iowa state’s ad isn’t all of a sudden going to get 30 million from them, even if they turn Ames into an Amazon billboard.

The pay per view thing is maybe the most ridiculous and desperate attempt so far at trying to push some ridiculous narrative.

Yes, but how do you measure "value"? Stewart Mandel's version? Pete Thamel's version? Have either of those two negotiated TV contracts for P5 leagues? Doubtful.

Value to ESPN, FOX, ABC etc isn't quite the same as what Amazon would see as value. Not to mention what nobody talks about in all of this: networks who bid on these conferences have a vested interest in the teams performing well, do they not? So Amazon, getting into the college game for the first time, probably wouldn't have any problem dropping mucho dinero (which they're swimming in) on any and all teams they're involved with. More money to their teams makes it easier for said teams to compete at an elite level. No one seems to grasp this in the sports writing echo sphere.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Really. Pretty lame to bring Browns & Bengals into a college football argument. OSU and Bearcat fans can also be Browns, Bengals, Steeler, etc. NFL team fans.

The Bearcats 2019 home attendance was 35,985. That was much higher than Rutgers and close to these other Big10 programs:

Northwestern 37,736
Illinois 36,587
Maryland 37,812
Indiana

but states with actual professional teams totally impact attention and attendance.

People in Illinois, especially Chicago care about the bears far more than college.

Indiana not only has the colts it also has notre dame, plus they have been terrible

same with Maryland, the Washington football team, and ravens take all the attention during the fall.

same with North Carolina teams and of course Minnesota

 

[cycloneG]

Big 12 warns of losing 50% of TV value following UT/OU exit

Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby says losing Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC could slice the value of the league's next television deal by 50 percent.

apnews.com

 

[NWICY]

Question for posters, do you think any of BYU, cincy,UCF, USF as power level teams?

For viewership I'd go with BYU, but for power level in FB none of them stack up to OU. BYU Fb results pretty aren't far from Tx too lazy to check. BYU and Cincy in BB are pretty solid . and I don't know much at all about the two Florida schools at least they're not from Tx.

 

[Klubber]

Pretending 200000 people will pay 20 dollars for a ppv football game is among the dumber takes, but pretending that Amazon will be thrilled to fork over a bunch of money to these schools is ludicrous

That is highly debatable...

 

[Klubber]

We'll see which conferences are better on the field very soon.

WVU v Maryland
Iowa State v Iowa
OU v Nebraska
Cincinnati v Indiana

You'll note that of those 4 are likely in the "new" Big 12...so I guess we'll see how the future leagues compare.

My guess is new Big 12 goes 3-0...what's your guess?

Nebraska will crush OU by virtue of just being in the B1G. Of course Iowa wins. And Indiana will crush Cincy because everyone knows they were way better than ISU last season, played an absolute juggernaut of a schedule against sub .500 teams, and deserved a New Year's Six, their bowl thrashing at the hands of Ole Miss not withstanding.

On a side note, B1G football was absolutely brutal to watch last season, and if yesterday was any indication, it may be pretty bad once again. That game yesterday was comically awful.

 

[Mesaclone1]

More and more as we move forward towards a different kind of viewing market…crappy and boring play on the field, which the B1G outside of OSU personifies, will effect revenue. The B1G desperately needs an infusion of “good”, “exciting” football…one team worth watching (OSU) will catch up to even them eventually.

 

[Cyclones1969]

That is highly debatable...

Sorry, you have a good response earlier, got busy and didn’t have a chance to respond.

I guess it depends on what you think we are discussing in terms of dollars. To replace what we have currently would be in the neighborhood of 40 million per team. So what would you say is a realistic number?

 

[BCClone]

If OU and UT stayed. We would have been around that 32 MM year in TV money in 2025. (Estimating, not positive). If they would say never mind to the SEC, what do others think our media deal would have done?

 

[cykadelic2]

It’s really funny to watch the people that have been saying Iowa State and the remaining schools don’t add any value to conference tv packages try to pivot to Amazon will pay them

There is existing and intense competition going on between Paramount+, Peacock, Prime and Apple+ for original new content. All have expressed some level of interest in live sports so the past valuation models for P5 inventory are no longer applicable. The competition amongst those 4 could drive up the value of not only the remaining B12 but also that of the P12 and the B10 if they open up bidding beyond Fox and ESPN. Now if none of those 4 streaming platforms aren't going to legitimately compete with ESPN and Fox for the P12 and B12, both conferences are hosed but I doubt that scenario unfolds especially if they get access to bid on expanded CFP rights.

 

[Cyclones1969]

If OU and UT stayed. We would have been around that 32 MM year in TV money in 2025. (Estimating, not positive). If they would say never mind to the SEC, what do others think our media deal would have done?

are those first tier numbers?

 

[BCClone]

are those first tier numbers?

1s and 2s.

 

[Legend12]

We'll see which conferences are better on the field very soon.

WVU v Maryland
Iowa State v Iowa
OU v Nebraska
Cincinnati v Indiana

You'll note that of those 4 are likely in the "new" Big 12...so I guess we'll see how the future leagues compare.

My guess is new Big 12 goes 3-0...what's your guess?

The Sun Belt went 3-0 against the Big 12 last year, so I guess that means Sun Belt > Big 12.

 

[Mesaclone1]

The Sun Belt went 3-0 against the Big 12 last year, so I guess that means Sun Belt > Big 12.

It would mean Sun Belt > Big 12 > B1G.

 

[madguy30]

If we can avoid the big hit and stay where we are financially, then slowly grow we will be ok. All the $$$$$ people talk about is like saying everyone has to drive a Porsche or Rolls Royce. lots of folks get by with a Chevy Ford, or a Toyota just fine.

More money doesn't necessarily transfer to on field success see Texa$ for a prime example of that, and poorly managed budgets can still lead to debt (Iowa)

Good post. Fact is ISU's lasted this long being this low in budget.

Issue now is if they get officially excluded from even getting the chance at the same exposure and are able to keep someone like CMC.

 

[Postel16]

Just stop these threads.

Here's a new thought..dont click in the damn threads then. Simple, effective, and we don't have to read whiny comments like this in every thread. Everybody wins.

 

[I@ST1]

Here's a new thought..dont click in the damn threads then. Simple, effective, and we don't have to read whiny comments like this in every thread. Everybody wins.

DumbaSs

 

[ripvdub]

Who do we fill our schedules with next year if OU and Texa$ buy out early?

I'm hoping we don't add anyone and hold out for a B1G/PAC invite in a few years. If we add teams to Big 12 just to fill out a schedule we never get an invite.