If the B12 remains intact and moves forward

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Who do we fill our schedules with next year if OU and Texa$ buy out early?

I'm hoping we don't add anyone and hold out for a B1G/PAC invite in a few years. If we add teams to Big 12 just to fill out a schedule we never get an invite.

We would need 10 teams or an NCAA waiver for a CCG, so the only sure way to keep a CCG at that point would be to send two invites to start early. BYU has no buyout or exit period so they would seem like the obvious choice if they are going to get an invite anyway. Maybe we play with 9 and get a CCG waiver, and we can fill up the extra non-con slot with SEC teams who cancel when they go from 8 to 9 conference games with the OU and UT additions.
 

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but states with actual professional teams totally impact attention and attendance.

People in Illinois, especially Chicago care about the bears far more than college.

Indiana not only has the colts it also has notre dame, plus they have been terrible

same with Maryland, the Washington football team, and ravens take all the attention during the fall.

same with North Carolina teams and of course Minnesota
That's true Captain Obvious, but not on point.

The discussion relates to Big12 expansion and worthy choices.

For being a G5 school with limited financial resources Bearcat fans support their team based on getting 36k to games. They also have a history of winning football games. They lost by 3 to Georgia last year and over last 10 years have a pretty solid record against P5 opponents

Cincy would be a great add for Big12 and create a rival for WVU.
 

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Really. Pretty lame to bring Browns & Bengals into a college football argument. OSU and Bearcat fans can also be Browns, Bengals, Steeler, etc. NFL team fans.

The Bearcats 2019 home attendance was 35,985. That was much higher than Rutgers and close to these other Big10 programs:

Northwestern 37,736
Illinois 36,587
Maryland 37,812
Indiana 41,244

The Bearcat's 2019 attendance was more than: Boston College, Duke, Kansas, Oregon State, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest and Washington State.

So to target Cincy because they lack fan interest seems misplaced when they don't have the athletic department $ of the above.
And how many visitor tix does Northwestern sell every game?
 

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Yes, but how do you measure "value"? Stewart Mandel's version? Pete Thamel's version? Have either of those two negotiated TV contracts for P5 leagues? Doubtful.

Value to ESPN, FOX, ABC etc isn't quite the same as what Amazon would see as value. Not to mention what nobody talks about in all of this: networks who bid on these conferences have a vested interest in the teams performing well, do they not? So Amazon, getting into the college game for the first time, probably wouldn't have any problem dropping mucho dinero (which they're swimming in) on any and all teams they're involved with. More money to their teams makes it easier for said teams to compete at an elite level. No one seems to grasp this in the sports writing echo sphere.

An Amazon bid would only be marginally more than what any other media provider would pay, enough to overcome whatever hesitation the Big 12 might have about jumping to a different paradigm with its own inherent risks. It might include the potential for viewership bonuses, but I don't know if you can really expect more than that.
 

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Not exactly sure.
Who do we fill our schedules with next year if OU and Texa$ buy out early?

I'm hoping we don't add anyone and hold out for a B1G/PAC invite in a few years. If we add teams to Big 12 just to fill out a schedule we never get an invite.
Home and away with KAnsas in the same season. My HS had to do that one year when a team combined with another over the summer and other teams had full schedules. It was awkward.
 

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Who do we fill our schedules with next year if OU and Texa$ buy out early?

I'm hoping we don't add anyone and hold out for a B1G/PAC invite in a few years. If we add teams to Big 12 just to fill out a schedule we never get an invite.
Even if OU and UT pay their exit fee, don't they lose their tv revenue even if it is in the SEC (Grant of Rights)? So if ESPN is going to make $75 million a year including say OU and UT, wouldn't they owe the Big 12 $75 million per year until 2025 when the Big 12 contact ends?
 

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My concern is if we aren’t still considered within the P5. It seems to me donors would get screwed.
 

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Not exactly sure.
We would need 10 teams or an NCAA waiver for a CCG, so the only sure way to keep a CCG at that point would be to send two invites to start early. BYU has no buyout or exit period so they would seem like the obvious choice if they are going to get an invite anyway. Maybe we play with 9 and get a CCG waiver, and we can fill up the extra non-con slot with SEC teams who cancel when they go from 8 to 9 conference games with the OU and UT additions.
If OU and UT leave early after saying they are sticking around until 2025. B12 gets to hand OU and UT a bill for lost revenue from a title game until they can line up decent replacements.
 

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Not exactly sure.
Even if OU and UT pay their exit fee, don't they lose their tv revenue even if it is in the SEC (Grant of Rights)? So if ESPN is going to make $75 million a year including say OU and UT, wouldn't they owe the Big 12 $75 million per year until 2025 when the Big 12 contact ends?
The big XII just doesn’t distribute to them. The media companies pay the b12 office and the b12 office divvies it up.
 

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The big XII just doesn’t distribute to them. The media companies pay the b12 office and the b12 office divvies it up.
What happens if they are in the SEC and we didn't release them from the GOR, the SEC office provides OU's and UT's tv payout to the Big 12 office?
 

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Even if OU and UT pay their exit fee, don't they lose their tv revenue even if it is in the SEC (Grant of Rights)? So if ESPN is going to make $75 million a year including say OU and UT, wouldn't they owe the Big 12 $75 million per year until 2025 when the Big 12 contact ends?

Yes and No...

There are 2 parts to this

1) Tx and Ou early exit fees. That is estimated to be $80 Mil
2) GoR. It does not matter if Texas and Ou pay exit fees. The big 12 owns their media rights for home games until 2025 season starts.

So what this means is if Tx and Ou play a home game vs any team in 2022-2025 then all that $$ goes to the big 12 but I believe only the amount it would get in the big 12 i.e. $28 Mil a year or whatever it was per team.

The big 12 can give up those Media rights but you better believe they are gonna use that Ace in hand to get ESPN to 1) continue to pay big 12 its full media payout thru 2025 along with any other new member added to the conference thru 2025.
 
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What happens if they are in the SEC and we didn't release them from the GOR, the SEC office provides OU's and UT's tv payout to the Big 12 office?
The Big12 has a contract with ESPN and FOX. The two networks pay the Big12 for example $400M. The Big12 then distributes $40M to each school. It can vary slightly by school based on Playoff or Bowl appearances.

So if UT & OU leave the Big12 they leave behind their share of the $400M.

There is the argument that ESPN/Fox would want to rework the deal since OU &UT left the Big12. And that is why Bowlsby went after ESPN with the cease & desist.
 
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Who do we fill our schedules with next year if OU and Texa$ buy out early?

I'm hoping we don't add anyone and hold out for a B1G/PAC invite in a few years. If we add teams to Big 12 just to fill out a schedule we never get an invite.

Anyone who wants to play us, preferably a "name" school so we get good exposure when we beat them.
 

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Question: can streaking servces, unlike TV networks, accurately monitor the extra number of devices watching each advertisement placed in live streaming content? Would that lead to payouts based on how well the content delivered eyeballs? I wonder if a any potential conference/college streaming service contract therefore would be very different from the cable/network deals we’ve seen in the past which guarantee payouts regardless of viewership.
 

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Not exactly sure.
The Big12 has a contract with ESPN and FOX. The two networks pay the Big12 for example $400M. The Big12 then distributes $40M to each school. It can vary slightly by school based on Playoff or Bowl appearances.

So if UT & OU leave the Big12 they leave behind their share of the $400M.

There is the argument that ESPN/Fox would want to rework the deal since OU &UT left the Big12. And that is why Bowlsby went after ESPN with the cease & desist.
Regarding your last paragraph, people who say that have their head up their rear. Why? Because they may leave the conference but the big XII can still give them their home games so it would be difficult to adjust it much. If the SEC is SO MUCH MoRE valuable, guess what, we can give you at least 12 games a year involving SEC teams.
 
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