Collegiate Duals Mon 12/18

4theheckofit

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But doesn't that prove the point the DC stayed at ISU for the coaching and facilities? Is ISU offering him $300k??? Ultimately, I FEEL (once again an assumption), a wrestler is more than likely to stay or go to a school that has some of the best coaches and facilities that are offered. Ofcourse at times money will trump all, however I would like to know what % that does. Sorry I like stats. I feel as if team sports may be more affected by $$$ as players on those TEAMS don't feel as tied to the coach. Where as wrestling they are more in it to better their craft. If on a team, one person makes a mistake it may not cause any issues where individual sports like wrestling, golf, etc you see the mistake that was made. Ultimately, if a golfer wanting to go to the next level is given $300k to go and play for Gardner Webb or go and play for Tiger Woods I would think most golfers would take the Tiger Woods route more often than not.

I may be naive, however if I wanted to pursue an opportunity at the Olympic level I am going to wrestle for those coaches that have "been there, done that". I knew as a wrestler my team wasn't going to beat my opponent I was.
A few things I'll add and I agree with some of your sentiment. First, DC is a legacy recruit/family etc. Second, he's a special kid off the mat. Probably better than he is on the mat. The programs that have the coaches/facilities/etc are also the ones offering the money. These kids aren't leaving Penn State to go to Little Rock because of cash. NIL in wrestling is going to separate the top 5-7 schools even further. I think what @Tigerguy_ is trying to get across is that we (ISU) want to make sure we're in that wheelhouse. Lastly and I have no inside information, but I'm guessing DC didn't get a $300k offer and we countered with $20k.

No one wants to admit it, but NIL is what it's going to take to keep us as a top 10 program.
 

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NORTHERN IOWA 35, LOCK HAVEN 3 SCORE/TIME UNI LH CUM.
125 Anderson (UNI) DEC Sallot (LH) 8-1 3 0 3-0
133 Farber (UNI) DEC Strickland (LH) 3-1 3 0 6-0
141 Happel (UNI) TF Zeamer (LH) 4:28 5 0 11-0
149 Allard (UNI) DEC Stonecheck (LH) 12-5 3 0 14-0
157 Downey (UNI) MAJ Eck (LH) 12-2 4 0 18-0
165 Weston (UNI) DEC Alderfer (LH) 9-3 3 0 21-0
174 Simma (UNI) WBF Stoltzfus (LH) 2:12 6 0 27-0
184 Keckeisen (UNI) MAJ Fegley (LH) 14-2 4 0 31-0
197 Morrison (LH) DEC Runyon (UNI) 5-1 0 3 31-3
285 Gordon (UNI) MAJ Miller (LH) 11-0 4 0 35-3
RESULTS POSTED 12/19/23 AT 08:24PM

OHIO STATE 21, NC STATE 20 SCORE/TIME OSU NCST CUM.
125 Mccrone (OSU) WBF Camacho (NCST) 0:37 6 0 6-0
133 Bouzakis (OSU) WBF Orine (NCST) 0:51 6 0 12-0
141 Mendez (OSU) WBF Jack (NCST) 6:54 6 0 18-0
149 Arrington (NCST) DEC Demilio (OSU) 5-3 0 3 18-3
157 Scott (NCST) DEC Gallagher (OSU) 4-2 0 3 18-6
165 Fields (NCST) DEC Wilcox (OSU) 4-1 0 3 18-9
174 Welsh (OSU) DEC Faison (NCST) 9-6 3 0 21-9
184 Fishback (NCST) DEC Rogotzke (OSU) 7-3 0 3 21-12
197 Hidlay (NCST) TF Geog (OSU) 6:16 0 5 21-17
285 Trephan (NCST) DEC Feldman (OSU) 8-6 0 3 21-20
 
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NORTHERN IOWA 35, LOCK HAVEN 3SCORE/TIMEUNILHCUM.
125Anderson (UNI) DEC Sallot (LH) 8-1303-0
133Farber (UNI) DEC Strickland (LH) 3-1306-0
141Happel (UNI) TF Zeamer (LH) 4:285011-0
149Allard (UNI) DEC Stonecheck (LH) 12-53014-0
157Downey (UNI) MAJ Eck (LH) 12-24018-0
165Weston (UNI) DEC Alderfer (LH) 9-33021-0
174Simma (UNI) WBF Stoltzfus (LH) 2:126027-0
184Keckeisen (UNI) MAJ Fegley (LH) 14-24031-0
197Morrison (LH) DEC Runyon (UNI) 5-10331-3
285Gordon (UNI) MAJ Miller (LH) 11-04035-3
RESULTS POSTED 12/19/23 AT 08:24PM

OHIO STATE 21, NC STATE 20SCORE/TIMEOSUNCSTCUM.
125Mccrone (OSU) WBF Camacho (NCST) 0:37606-0
133Bouzakis (OSU) WBF Orine (NCST) 0:516012-0
141Mendez (OSU) WBF Jack (NCST) 6:546018-0
149Arrington (NCST) DEC Demilio (OSU) 5-30318-3
157Scott (NCST) DEC Gallagher (OSU) 4-20318-6
165Fields (NCST) DEC Wilcox (OSU) 4-10318-9
174Welsh (OSU) DEC Faison (NCST) 9-63021-9
184Fishback (NCST) DEC Rogotzke (OSU) 7-30321-12
197Hidlay (NCST) TF Geog (OSU) 6:160521-17
285Trephan (NCST) DEC Feldman (OSU) 8-60321-20
it would feel so weird to win a dual when winning less matches.
 

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NORTHERN IOWA 35, LOCK HAVEN 3SCORE/TIMEUNILHCUM.
125Anderson (UNI) DEC Sallot (LH) 8-1303-0
133Farber (UNI) DEC Strickland (LH) 3-1306-0
141Happel (UNI) TF Zeamer (LH) 4:285011-0
149Allard (UNI) DEC Stonecheck (LH) 12-53014-0
157Downey (UNI) MAJ Eck (LH) 12-24018-0
165Weston (UNI) DEC Alderfer (LH) 9-33021-0
174Simma (UNI) WBF Stoltzfus (LH) 2:126027-0
184Keckeisen (UNI) MAJ Fegley (LH) 14-24031-0
197Morrison (LH) DEC Runyon (UNI) 5-10331-3
285Gordon (UNI) MAJ Miller (LH) 11-04035-3
RESULTS POSTED 12/19/23 AT 08:24PM

OHIO STATE 21, NC STATE 20SCORE/TIMEOSUNCSTCUM.
125Mccrone (OSU) WBF Camacho (NCST) 0:37606-0
133Bouzakis (OSU) WBF Orine (NCST) 0:516012-0
141Mendez (OSU) WBF Jack (NCST) 6:546018-0
149Arrington (NCST) DEC Demilio (OSU) 5-30318-3
157Scott (NCST) DEC Gallagher (OSU) 4-20318-6
165Fields (NCST) DEC Wilcox (OSU) 4-10318-9
174Welsh (OSU) DEC Faison (NCST) 9-63021-9
184Fishback (NCST) DEC Rogotzke (OSU) 7-30321-12
197Hidlay (NCST) TF Geog (OSU) 6:160521-17
285Trephan (NCST) DEC Feldman (OSU) 8-60321-20
I know UNI always wrestles ISU tough but it would be slightly disappointing not to lay one on them this year.
 

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I like our chances at 141 in a rematch. Ech is going to keep getting better the more he wrestles, and he will (hopefully) continue to get more comfortable making weight at 141
I agree. I will say Happel has gotten so much better since he first arrived in Cedar Falls.
 

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I like our chances at 141 in a rematch. Ech is going to keep getting better the more he wrestles, and he will (hopefully) continue to get more comfortable making weight at 141
I was gonna say this too. Almost feel more comfortable in that match over the one at 25. The trajectory AE is on is going to be so fun to watch.
 

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Thinking about all the ducking crap from the Cornell dual, the individual ranking/seeding piece has been talked about plenty, but I think another big aspect that perpetuates the duck problem is that duals ultimately don't mean anything by the end of the season.

Yes, there are dual rankings, and it's fun to be at the top of them, but there's no prize beyond the point of pride at the end of the season.

Make duals mean something.

It's certainly not a new argument or discussion, and I know the wrestling community feels the need for duals to matter more, but I bet Cornell would have trotted out all their horses on Monday if it meant protecting or improving a team ranking that truly meant something.
 
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Thinking about all the ducking crap from the Cornell dual, the individual ranking/seeding piece has been talked about plenty, but I think another big aspect that perpetuates the duck problem is that duals ultimately don't mean anything by the end of the season.

Yes, there are dual rankings, and it's fun to be at the top of them, but there's no prize beyond the point of pride at the end of the season.

Make duals mean something.

It's certainly not a new argument or discussion, and I know the wrestling community feels the need for duals to matter more, but I bet Cornell would have trotted out all their horses on Monday if it meant protecting or improving a team ranking that truly meant something.
What Cornell did was bush league... especially after dominating Little Rock. You can't tell me that many of their wrestlers got hurt wrestling Little Rock.
 

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I hadn't thought about until just now, but We Will is an approved charity on Benevity, which some companies use for donation matching. Last I checked (just a few weeks ago) C&G is not. So that may be a motivation to "funnel" money through WW.
Maybe the operators of C&G should get that cleaned up. I'm sure @brentblum would be happy to help them through that. He is a loyal son forever true, afterall.
 
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