Marvel Cinematic Universe
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I'd say that having the Spider-man: Homecoming director say that the Venom movie is not part of the MCU should be a pretty good final word closing the book on any of those thoughts.
http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/03/29/spider-man-homecoming-venom-marvel-cinematic-universe/
The Sony-Marvel contract that allows Spider-Man in the MCU includes the following movies:
Captain America: Civil War
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Avengers: Infinity War
Untitled Avengers Movie (after Infinity War)
Sequel to Spider-Man: Homecoming
The contract expires after that, and it will be up to Sony-Marvel to renew, but that looks unlikely now that Sony is moving forward with their own "Spiderverse." That's still a lot of time for Tom Holland to dedicate to the MCU. Hopefully they can make a deal for a third stand-alone movie to complete the trilogy (as long as it's not like Raimi's Spider-Man 3)
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/spider-man-out-mcu-following-spider-man-homecoming-sequel
Captain America: Civil War
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Avengers: Infinity War
Untitled Avengers Movie (after Infinity War)
Sequel to Spider-Man: Homecoming
The contract expires after that, and it will be up to Sony-Marvel to renew, but that looks unlikely now that Sony is moving forward with their own "Spiderverse." That's still a lot of time for Tom Holland to dedicate to the MCU. Hopefully they can make a deal for a third stand-alone movie to complete the trilogy (as long as it's not like Raimi's Spider-Man 3)
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/spider-man-out-mcu-following-spider-man-homecoming-sequel
I'm not sure I'd say it is unlikely that Sony renews after that. There is a lot of time between now and then, and if Spider-Man is killing it in the MCU, I have a hard time believing Marvel and Sony don't continue to make it happen. Both companies like money. Ultimately, everyone is going off of Amy Paschal's quotes, which are a bit misleading and I'm not sure she meant to say it the way that she said it too. I think her original intent was to simply praise how unprecedented an event seeing these companies come together like this is and how great it has been so far... end of story. However, it was the we may not see it ever happen again part that has everyone up in arms, but I think she meant it more as how great it is that this happened, rather than this will surely end. Also, even if she meant it that way, everything people like this say is a negotiating tactic. Actors and directors do this stuff ALL the time. It is borderline ridiculous how commonplace this is in that industry. If any of us normal joes out here talked as much as a lot of these guys do in our own careers about potentially doing other things or greener pastures or what not, we'd be sitting on the road side with a "looking for work" sign.
I'm there.
This also reminds me that another Iron Man movie should happen before Downey gets too old.
Plus, Pascal is only going off what she knows. She was ousted at Sony after the email hack a few years ago and only is sticking around in a producer capacity since she brokered the deal shortly before she was terminated. She has no idea what kind of talks Sony and Marvel have had since then or are going to have once Homecoming It's just hard to see Sony be willing to share one of the most valuable properties they have, while developing a number of movies around that character. On the other hand, Sony just announced that The Dark Tower release date just got pushed back to August which is another hit for their studio releases, so a lucrative and reliable partnership with the MCU could give their studio some stability.
Yeah, truthfully, Spider-Man in the MCU might be the ONLY thing Sony has going for them right now. They are desperate for franchises right now, which is also why they are even willing to start their only Spidey-Universe without Spidey even in it. Its simply because they've got squat, so they are trying to just squeeze as much out of that squat as possible. Its too bad too. I truly believe that if done right, Ghostbusters really could have taken off into something big, but I can't tell you how disappointed I was in that movie, in pretty much all facets of it.
So, I also made it through episode 2 of Iron Fist last night, and while it improved slightly from episode 1, it was still pretty bad. Seriously, what they are doing in the first couple episodes, who cares??? None of this is stuff I wanted to see so far in an Iron Fist series. I feel like they are just wasting time on worthless boring stuff, and spending a whopping zero production dollars in the process. We don't pay to watch Danny just talk a bunch. If anything, I was hoping Marvel might finally open their pocketbook a bit with Iron Fist due to all that his character entails and really requires in my mind. Guess not so far. Where is the Iron Fist? Where is ANY K'un-Lun footage? Seriously. Anyway, I've heard word from someone that it does get a bit better around episode 7 and that the ending actually ends better than Luke Cage at least. With that said, I'm really hoping so, but that also means I've got a long slog still to get to episode 7. Lastly, Colleen Wing seems to be the only decent character so far.
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Yeah the first 3 or so episodes are REALLY slow. I hate that they have Danny talk to much because for some reason I found a lot of times I would get annoyed with stuff he said/how he comes across saying it.
I have one episode left and I think Luke Cage is way better than this show. I'll have to see what kind of twist they add in the Season Finale, but Finn Jones as Danny Rand is poor casting and I am worried about his presence in The Defenders. Episode 6 was my favorite - it was directed by RZA and was definitely the most "kung fu-focused" episode I've seen so far.
He is annoying the crap out of me right now. Not only is his acting borderline awful, but his writers and directors are NOT helping the cause at all. I don't even like how the writers are portraying the character either. The dude isn't likable and is just kind of weird. Also, what they have him say a lot just doesn't make sense and is so out of character for the Iron Fist, its ridiculous. Regardless, its a team effort to make something so bad. Also again, seriously Ike Perlmutter, lots of people watch this show, so open your pocketbooks dude!!!! I get it that you want to make a lot of money, but I feel like everything so far is Marvel trying their hardest to sidestep spending the money required to actually produce this character, and just giving us filler instead. Shoot, Agents of Shield probably spends 3 times what you are spending on each episode of this, and they have a fraction of the viewers. If you ever want to play with the big boys side-by-side in the movies, you've got to somewhat spend like them.
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The Defender's will be available on Netflix August 18.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/netflixs-defenders-assemble-on-august-18-1793990311
http://io9.gizmodo.com/netflixs-defenders-assemble-on-august-18-1793990311
I hope its not a slow burn. Get the team together in a few episodes then beat some bad guys mmmk?
So I finished Iron Fist this past weekend. The entire first season was underwhelming, however, I do think the show is setup rather nicely for an interesting S2. I really like how the Meachum's changed over the course of the series and they could be compelling allies/villains down the road. If Netflix can bring in new (and better) writers and better fight choreographers then I could tune in to S2. I actually started to watch Into the Badlands Season 1 on Netflix immediately after I finished Iron Fist and the fight choreography blows away anything Iron Fist put on screen. Netflix needs to up the action and make Danny Rand a competent fighter. Finn Jones has got to put on a better presence in The Defenders for Iron Fist to be a series worth watching, otherwise they should just ditch him and stick with Jon Bernthal's Punisher series and perhaps move on to Moon Knight. The more I read about Moon Knight the more I think that character could actually work on TV.
FYI... 6 episodes in now on Iron Fist and man, it still blows, in pretty much all categories. Really hoping things eventually start to get a little better. Truthfully, the only character I've really liked so far was Jeri Hogarth's crossover appearances in a few episodes. For that short while, it seemed like a professional coming in to work with a bunch of amateurs.
They wasted it on us! Would have been great if he could have used that early on and frequently. Hoping we see it more in the Defenders.
