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It is fun, isn't it?Nope. Just enjoying the dumb button.
I look at hoops season as 3 seasons in 1.
1st is non-con, 2nd is conference play, and 3rd is conference tourney & NCAA Tourney.
All are fun to watch, but season 3 is where it's at. And that's what everyone remembers going forward anyway. I mean, does anyone remember Villanova's reg-season record in '85 when they won it all? Or that of any National Champ for that matter?
There's nothing better than making a run in the Big XII and NCAA Tourney IMO.
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KidSilverhair
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That's where we disagree, not that I mind the debate. Compare these 2 teams:
1. 2nd in the B12, win one game in NCAA.
2. 5th in the B12, play in Elite 8.
To me, that's a no-brainer. Obviously, there's some grey area. Winning the conference is awesome and I'd take that and a first or second round loss over what ISU did last year. But to me, if you are 2nd-7th in the B12, it doesn't matter all that much compared to what you do in the NCAA Tourney. Look at it this way: ISU finished, what, 7th in the B12 last year? They snuck into the NCAA and ended up playing in the S16. They turned that into a top 10 recruiting class. Like it or not, the thing that matters most is what you do in March.
I did write: Winning the B12 is so much more important and valuable than anything but a Final 4 to my way of thinking.
Additionally, I tend to live in day-tight compartments. So, that influences my negative view of all the forward thinking scenarios you boys seem to enjoy. I just don't see nor live life like that generally.
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Boys? 15 pounds of swinging meat and bucket-sized balls and you're calling us boys?
There's really nothing more important in college basketball than the NCAA Tournament. That's everybody's goal at the start of each season in November. How to have the opportunity to play meaningful basketball into March. I just don't understand what you think is wrong with that. If Iowa State had 5 more regular season conference championship and 5 fewer Sweet 16 appearances just for example, I would probably look at our history in a more negative light than I do today. Give me the results in meaningful basketball games in March over 13-14 wins from January 1 to March 5 or whatever. Ideally you could have both, but that type of success is typically only enjoyed by the blue bloods
Surly, I like you but you're off on this. Of course everyone wants to win their conference, but ultimately you're judged on what you do in March. Would you rather win the Big 12 and get upset in the first round, or finish 4th in the Big 12 and go to the Elite 8? Give me the latter every year.
The Thanksgiving week tourneys have become a favorite sporting event and the non conference seems way more fun as a result. With the NET becoming a thing the non-conference really is its own season.
You also probably don't remember what most Big 12 teams have done in the NCAA tournament the last few years off the top of your head.
Obviously a National Title is more memerable than a Big 12 Title. What about a Sweet 16 vs. Big 12 Title? Round of 32?
People like to say "All that matters is what you do in March", but unless you're making the final 4, no one cares outside of your fan base. Hell, final 4 teams aren't even that memorable. Name the Final 4 teams of the last 10 years off the top of your head. I bet most people would get less than half for most years.
Thinking about it in terms of "what are other college basketball fans going to remember the most is the wrong approach". Fans of other programs aren't going to give a **** about what you did in the regular season, or NCAA tournament either way. The only thing that matters is what brings you the most enjoyment. Winning a Big 12 Title would bring me a hell of a lot of enjoyment. That would mean experiencing 13-14 Big 12 wins, knocking off conference rivals multiple times, etc....
Some misunderstanding here. My focus is on today, yours on tomorrow it seems. Maybe that makes more or less sense. I really don't care about bracketology because it's meaningless for my team if they continue to win or lose.
That's why beating OU Wednesday on senior night is far more important to me than what some talking head or poster here has to say about where we'll be placed in the dance. When our States get there, then I'll tune in, but not until.
That's why beating OU Wednesday on senior night is far more important to me than what some talking head or poster here has to say about where we'll be placed in the dance. When our States get there, then I'll tune in, but not until.
