From the article: "Gene Chizik is a former college football coach, business owner and motivational speaker."
Interesting.
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From the article: "Gene Chizik is a former college football coach, business owner and motivational speaker."
Interesting.
You would be right. I missed that one.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...na-defensive-coordinator-stepping-down-020917
My best friend walked on at ISU. He wasn't that book smart and has dyslexia. Tutors wrote every paper he had to write. No joke.
It doesn't bother me one bit as he would be a great hire for any company in his field (and wouldn't ever have to write a paper), but this sort of crap happens at every school.
He transferred to another school after 2 years (D3) and I gave him a full business plan and he turned it in exactly as is. He got a full letter grade better than I did.
No, what he's saying is, a lot of these athletes couldn't make it at ISU or any other college for that matter without all the help tutors do for them. Happens everywhere, not just UNC unfortunately.
If you've watched Last Chance U, you'd understand. We have a lot of athletes at ISU with the same intelligence level as some of those players on Last Chance U. And there is no way they would make it at ISU without help.
The difference is that the use of tutors to perform work for the athletes, which I'll agree happens a lot, is about how to get the athletes to meet the requirements of the class and doesn't negatively reflect on the academics of the school. UNC had professors involved in dumbing down the class requirements. That does reflect on the academic standards of the school.
Dumbing down a class or having someone do the class for you...
It's the same thing in my book. He didn't have to do much more than go to the tutors office to get grades. If that makes the course better to you, then that's fine.
Ya it's ok if they aren't smart enough to make it on their own. We will just give them a nice clerk job for life.
And counter to that, its ok that I'm not physically gifted enough to get a sports scholarship. We can just fudge a little bit with some steroids.
Getting help is one thing, people doing your work is cheating. Doesn't matter if you're a low IQ high performing athlete.
And counter to that, its ok that I'm not physically gifted enough to get a sports scholarship. We can just fudge a little bit with some steroids.
Getting help is one thing, people doing your work is cheating. Doesn't matter if you're a low IQ high performing athlete.
Most people who get degrees don't even use them. Especially an athlete who wasn't smart enough to get it. You don't just magically get a job in that field because you have a degree in it.
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LincolnWay187
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Cute. So are you one of the engineers with Aspergers making this comment or just an ahole? I'll take a business major as a teammate over most of them out there....
No just sarcastic. Sorry if I hit a nerve, but I still stand by what I said. There's a large difference in the dedication it takes to get straight A's in engineering than in business.
CycloneErik
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I've graded the work of athletes from nearly every sport at ISU. I can safely say, both for better and for worse, that they did their own work.
The ones that did extremely poorly were probably too lazy even to tell a tutor there was an assignment. The ones that did extremely well would have been offended at the idea.
The ones that did extremely poorly were probably too lazy even to tell a tutor there was an assignment. The ones that did extremely well would have been offended at the idea.
Dyslexia is a learning disability, so he should have gotten extra help.
Now if he just gave his stuff to a tutor on the way to the bars, well that is not right either.
I will counter your story, I tutored athletes at ISU and never did a bit of their work. Some tried to get me to, but I never did. It was in engineering though so no star players.
Do you want a cookie? Does it make one feel more noble since he/she is 'dedicating' more of life to one thing? If one was a business major he/she might know more about some of the opportunity costs that arise from 'dedication' to something. Maybe it's counterproductive. People are different. I, for one, would certainly hate to 'dedicate' myself to engineering.
And if you want to oversimplify situations, that's fine as well. From the student's viewpoint, there isn't a lot of difference. But there is a big difference from a "who's involved" and from a checks and balances standpoint. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Well I'm saying it from the students point of view, but I understand what you are saying as well. All good.
