I can't really comment on this since I wasn't following ISU basketball when Fizer was playing but Brackins is a damn good player. Nobody gives him enough credit for how good of a passer he is.
Brackins or Fizer?
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I would pick Fizer. Not even close in my opinion! Fizer was dominant. Brackins is talented, but I think he's pretty soft.
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would have to say Fizer at this point, but Brackins is definitely capable of making a strong argument for himself during big XII play. I sure hope he does, with the expectations at the beginning of the year I'll be pretty disappointed if this team winds up on the bubble for the NIT and not the NCAA's.
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I'd take Fizer by a mile but Brackins has a future ahead of him in the NBA. He's playing exactly the same way he did last year (better all around IMO) and we all were sure he was a first rounder.
Brackins Career Stats:
PPG: 16.1 RPG: 7.4 APG: 1.6 SPG: 0.5 BPG: 1.0 FG%: 46.4 3PT%: 33.2 FT%: 71.4
Fizer Career Stats:
PPG: 18.9 RPG: 7.4 APG: 1.0 SPG: 0.9 BPG: 0.9 FG%: 51.3 3PT%: 29.2 FT%: 70.2
I think just looking at the stats anyone who says either Brackins or Fizer is way better is way off base. At this point I'd give the slight edge to Fizer b/c of his on ball defense, and he could guard the 3, 4, or 5. Not sure if Brackins is there yet.
PPG: 16.1 RPG: 7.4 APG: 1.6 SPG: 0.5 BPG: 1.0 FG%: 46.4 3PT%: 33.2 FT%: 71.4
Fizer Career Stats:
PPG: 18.9 RPG: 7.4 APG: 1.0 SPG: 0.9 BPG: 0.9 FG%: 51.3 3PT%: 29.2 FT%: 70.2
I think just looking at the stats anyone who says either Brackins or Fizer is way better is way off base. At this point I'd give the slight edge to Fizer b/c of his on ball defense, and he could guard the 3, 4, or 5. Not sure if Brackins is there yet.
You know the only thing I think Craig really does better than Fizer is that fade away jumper. He's really good at that.
Fizer on the other hand was a great defender, great rebounder, could dunk over anyone, could shoot the 3, and had huge hands which could catch about any inside pass which was thrown his way from a slashing Tinslely or Nurse, could dribble the ball all the way down the court, could hit all the big free throws. He just had all the intangibles that Junior year he was at ISU.
I'd take Fizer in his prime over Craig Brackins any day.
Fizer on the other hand was a great defender, great rebounder, could dunk over anyone, could shoot the 3, and had huge hands which could catch about any inside pass which was thrown his way from a slashing Tinslely or Nurse, could dribble the ball all the way down the court, could hit all the big free throws. He just had all the intangibles that Junior year he was at ISU.
I'd take Fizer in his prime over Craig Brackins any day.
Brackins is a much better 3 point shooter, and they rebound at the same rate (over their career).
Was hoping people would actually look at their stats.
Was hoping people would actually look at their stats.
Thank you for posting the stats. Damn close compare, I'd say. I don't think a person could go wrong either way. They are/were both great. I just hope CB can keep it up, because he certainly has the game to help this team accomplish something special.
Merry Christmas All. Be careful out there.
Stats say Brett Favre has thrown the most interceptions and Babe Ruth the most strike outs, but the body of the balance of their work over comes that.
Stats are a little over rated.
Yeah, but for Favre those stats encompass a 19 year career, and for Ruth a 20 year career. Fizer and Brackins' stats simply reflect a three year span. Easier for stats to be more accurate when they reflect a shorter time span.
Also, it's hard to tout Fizer's 3 point shooting, and his rebounding as reasons he's better than Brackins when Brackins rebounds just as well as Fizer and is a better 3 point shooter. Like I said before stats don't tell the whole story, but some of your own reasons are contradicted by the stats.
Not when you say an entire body of work "overcomes" the stats. When you say that, you're essentially saying the stats are abberations and don't tell the whole story. When it's a short period of time I think it's less likely that the stats fail to tell the whole story.
Either way, the point remains that Brackins rebounds just as well as Fizer, and is a better 3 point shooter, which were two of the above poster's reasons for liking Fizer better. Ignoring rebounding and 3 point shooting stats just seems silly in that case.
Fizer really didn't shoot the 3 pointer that often because he was in the post most of the time.
And where's the stat for defense and catching impossible passes thrown to him down low? Fizer would own Brackins in the Post while Brackins would have an edge further out.
The question is simple. Who would you chose Fizer or Brackins? I've seen both play. Maybe they are fairly even by the stats, but Fizer is still my guy and it's an easy decision.
For what it's worth, I would choose Fizer too (at this point anyway). I just think they're very different type players. It's kind of like comparing Kevin Durant to Karl Malone.
