How to "start over"?

HititHard

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You hear this alot. And I know it's true. However, we also cannot afford to have what is happening in Carver Arena, happen at Hilton. Lots of empty seats equals lots of lost money. We simply cannot allow our situation to get to the point Iowa is at.

I agree
 

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Here's my plan to start over:

1)Fire McD
2)Don't hire a head coach
3)Auction off one week of being the head MBB coach for each week of the next year.
4)Use the proceeds to hire the new coach.

The benefits are two-fold:
1)We can afford a big-name coach
2)It hopefully shuts a lot of people up
 

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Wrong, Tulsa was coming off of 9 wins the season before Doug Wojcik was hired. He is a huge prospect right now.....should be for us especially.

I stand corrected then. How well does he know the Big 12? Does he know what it takes to win at this level.
 

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How do you know we would be waiting another 4 years? I thought the exact same thing when Chizik bailed on us and forced us to start over yet again.
Enter Paul Rhoads.........

I don't... hence the "if".
Also... Rhodes got us to 6-6 regular season in his first year.
McDermott got us to 15-15 in his first regular season.

And I can see us at 15 wins again this year.

I love Rhoads and am excited about him as much as anybody. But he hasn't really done anything "better" than McDermott yet. Yeah he got post season by going .500. Well McD had the same winning percentage...

I don't know what will happen. But what happens if we have to start from scratch and the coach doesn't produce in his first 2 seasons. Have we already waited so long that we'll be at that guy's throat? Do we give him 4 years? What are the expectations?

Again... I'm not taking a side. I'm just producing questions.
 

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I don't... hence the "if".
Also... Rhodes got us to 6-6 regular season in his first year.
McDermott got us to 15-15 in his first regular season.

And I can see us at 15 wins again this year.

I love Rhoads and am excited about him as much as anybody. But he hasn't really done anything "better" than McDermott yet. Yeah he got post season by going .500. Well McD had the same winning percentage...

I don't know what will happen. But what happens if we have to start from scratch and the coach doesn't produce in his first 2 seasons. Have we already waited so long that we'll be at that guy's throat? Do we give him 4 years? What are the expectations?

Again... I'm not taking a side. I'm just producing questions.

Thats a joke right??? His goal was to make a bowl game and win it. Amazingly, he accomplished that in his very first year. What is Gmac's goal?
 

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We'll be starting all over again next year, regardless of who the coach is. The question you have to ask yourself is, would I rather start over with a guy who has failed in his first four years, or start over with a fresh face with new ideas?

Considering we're about to go 4-12 in conference again, I'll take door #2.

Yes exactly. People who are worried about "starting over" if we got rid of GM are implying that we actually got somewhere under GM. Unforunately we are still at the starting line.
 

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Thats a joke right??? His goal was to make a bowl game and win it. Amazingly, he accomplished that in his very first year. What is Gmac's goal?

Your comment is a joke right??? His goal was to "luckily get selected over other teams with same records yet better rankings and get the opportunity to play in the post season despite a .500 record?"

It's a shame McD didn't get a lucky selection for post season despite the same winning percentage because then the argument of winning a post season game might be valid.

I put the word "better" in quotes because you can't definatively make that claim. McD had much more turnover in the program then Rhoads. Had Stinson and Blalock been Sophomores instead of Juniors... things would have been a lot different (imo).

You act like I made an outrageous claim. I think Rhoads was more successful... but when you look at the wins (which is all that matters according to some on here) and tell me that Rhoads clearly had a "better" season than Mac's first year??? That my friend is an outrageous statement.
 

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Come on, you are not seriously trying to imply Greg's first season was as good as CPR's?

Going .500 in football is a much bigger accomplishment than it is in basketball.
 

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Come on, you are not seriously trying to imply Greg's first season was as good as CPR's?

Going .500 in football is a much bigger accomplishment than it is in basketball.

I don't think there is enough data to say Rhoads clearly performed better than McDermott.

Rhoads didn't have to play Texas, Oklahoma or Texas Tech this year. So he got the 'easy' big 12 schedule.

And he wen't .500 (and let's be honest... higher ranked teams with better records got snubbed in favor of us).

McD took 2 returners (Jiri Hubalek and Rahshon Clark), and was much worse off than Rhoads and won .500 his first year.

I don't feel that because football takes a higher percentage of teams to the post season can justify that it's harder to go .500 in football than it is in Basketball.

I am extremely happy with what Rhoads did. I hope he is extremely successful and does not go roughly 500 over the next 3 seasons or everyone should be saying the same thing about him as they are about McD.


I feel this way because basketball and football are apples to oranges... somebody made the case that Rhoads did better his first year than McD. I provided the above arguments to prove that you can't make that case.
 
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I don't feel that because football takes a higher percentage of teams to the post season can justify that it's harder to go .500 in football than it is in Basketball.

I am extremely happy with what Rhoads did. I hope he is extremely successful and does not go roughly 500 over the next 3 seasons or everyone should be saying the same thing about him as they are about McD.

I agree with your line of thinking completely, but we will be very lucky to be over .500 the next two years because of the schedule. and I fully expect some of the members here will be very down on Rhoads by then.
 

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Can you say Todd Lickliter?

I'd rather have Lickliter than GMac at this point. Not even joking.

Lick gets the most out of what he has which at least holds hope for the future. Same with Bzdelik. His guys play SMART and FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND even though the talent is blatantly lacking. Here we are in a pinnacle year and...yeah.

I obviously don't want Lick but my point is there is almost no possible hire that would be a worse situation than the status quo.
 

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I obviously don't want Lick but my point is there is almost no possible hire that would be a worse situation than the status quo.

So we should just go make a change just to make a change. If a change is made I want JP to take as long as he needs to find the right guy. None of this interviewing to up and comers just so maybe you can make a name for yourself. Find the right guy that fits what ISU needs.
 

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I can't believe we are even talking about this. Are you people serious? Really? Comparing CPR's first year to GMac's first year.

Ok if we must...

CPR won 350% more games in his first year than the coach the previous year.

GMac's first year he won 93.75% of the wins credited to the previous coach.

C'mon man!
 

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I can't believe we are even talking about this. Are you people serious? Really? Comparing CPR's first year to GMac's first year.

Ok if we must...

CPR won 350% more games in his first year than the coach the previous year.

GMac's first year he won 93.75% of the wins credited to the previous coach.

C'mon man!

Seeing how you're arguing for CPR... and I'm the only one who argued for GMac... you must be referring to me. And you you look at my posts... you'll see that I agree that we cannot really compare the two as someone tried to argue that CPR has been more successful first... hence the apples to oranges comment. I only brought up what we did because somebody else used CPR to prove a point.

My only argument was winning percentage between the 2. You're now comparing 4 people. And you're not even directly comparing the two in question.

Edit: I'm not saying anybody is incorrect to have the opinion that McD needs to go and has been unsuccessful. I'm just saying it's hard to argue that CPR was definitively more successful than McD's first year when the winning percentage is the same. And when you consider strength of schedule and that McDermot got a late recruiting start with only 2 returning scholarship players (unless Brock was a scholarship guy which makes 3). Didn't mean to start a debate on it. Just saying I won't accept CPR being better than McD in year one as an obvious fact.
 
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First of all I meant my post slightly tongue in cheek. Difficult to pull that off in this format. I'd actually hoped the NFL Sunday Countdown reference at the end would help establish the intended tone.

You are right you can't compare the two at all. So let's not.
 
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Here would be my list of coaches to contact if a change were being made...in order of preference:

1) Jay Wright - Villanova (hey, we can dream big...can't we?)
2) Kevin Stallings - Vanderbilt
3) Herb Sendek - Az State
4) Tony Bennett - Virginia
5) Oliver Pernell - Clemson
6) John Belein - Michigan
7) Seth Greenburg - Va Tech
8) Scott Drew - Baylor
9) Stan Heath - USF
 
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Here would be my list of coaches to contact if a change were being made...in order of preference:

1) Jay Wright - Villanova (hey, we can dream big...can't we?)
2) Kevin Stallings - Vanderbilt
3) Herb Sendek - Az State
4) Tony Bennett - Virginia
5) Oliver Pernell - Clemson
6) John Belein - Michigan
7) Seth Greenburg - Va Tech
8) Scott Drew - Baylor
9) Stan Heath - USF

None of these are real options except for Stan heath to me but he is building something at USF right now. Why would any of these coaches leave for ISU?
 

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Here would be my list of coaches to contact if a change were being made...in order of preference:

1) Jay Wright - Villanova (hey, we can dream big...can't we?)
2) Kevin Stallings - Vanderbilt
3) Herb Sendek - Az State
4) Tony Bennett - Virginia
5) Oliver Pernell - Clemson
6) John Belein - Michigan
7) Seth Greenburg - Va Tech
8) Scott Drew - Baylor
9) Stan Heath - USF


I think you meant to say this is your dream list.