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CarolinaCy

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That is bush league stuff. Judge Paul in what happens on the field or what is on the record. "I heard from a guy" is weak sauce.

He did say later that it was from the family of a Cyclone player (current or former, I don't know).
 

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He did say later that it was from the family of a Cyclone player (current or former, I don't know).

Then say who. Because vague rumors from unnamed player isn't fair. There is enough to judge Paul's future as our coach without attaching this **** to him. It isn't fair.
 

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Then say who. Because vague rumors from unnamed player isn't fair. There is enough to judge Paul's future as our coach without attaching this **** to him. It isn't fair.

It is fair as anything, especially when it fits as another symptom of what many believe to be causing the poor play.
Having players cry to their parents and spreading rumors is the behavior of a mentally weak team, and one lacking leadership. As is players publicly crying about former coaches being to hard on them, particularly when they suck on the field.
 

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Yesterday was bad

I was kind of hoping a new season would mean last years problems on offense would be fixed. Yesterday, was ISU football's version of the movie Groundhog Day. That said, yesterday was one game and in the heat of battle guys reverted to old habits. As far as firing coach Rhoads during the 2014 season, it ain't going to happen. Worst case. We see more turnover among assistant coaches after the season. CPR becomes defacto defensive coordinator. If we aren't a 5+ win team in 2015, then JP is looking for a new HC.
 
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If I'm the AD, I hope I'm not freaking stupid enough to base my evaluations one one injury riddled season and a single game of the next.

Dang Chicken Littles.

Let's assume I'm a chicken little then and you're the voice of reason. What is your expected record of the team the next 5 games, and the final record?
 

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You guys seem to forget many business continue to peddle cheap **** because it makes money.

JP was hired to get ISU money; his one job is to get our money into the pocket of ISU. That's it - the rest is secondary. We don't see it like that because we are emotionally tied to ISU. Fans think the best way to do that is to win but if we still pay there is no incentive to improve the product.
 

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You guys seem to forget many business continue to peddle cheap **** because it makes money.

JP was hired to get ISU money; his one job is to get our money into the pocket of ISU. That's it - the rest is secondary. We don't see it like that because we are emotionally tied to ISU. Fans think the best way to do that is to win but if we still pay there is no incentive to improve the product.
Umm, no. You essentially equated the midset of Ford to a start-up working on cars in your garage. Ford sees static sales and they survive. A start-up see flat sales and they ultimately cannot pay their creditors.

I am sure you have read that on a forum like ShaggyBevo, but ISU is far from worrying about their AD looking at the numbers and being complacent. First, JP was hired to increase the budget- to grow the business. We do not give ISU money like UT's AD gives UT. I doubt we even run very far in the black or have much in reserves. Second, even schools making more money than they can spend fire coaches that do not win to their liking. Name me a school with money that keeps a coach that's goes 5-19 with two beat downs at the hands of FCS schools.
 

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So when is the last time ISU hired a head coach for football, that was a head coach at the collegiate level prior coming to ISU?

Maybe Pollard should try that and see what happens..
Mangino it is.
You guys seem to forget many business continue to peddle cheap **** because it makes money.

JP was hired to get ISU money; his one job is to get our money into the pocket of ISU. That's it - the rest is secondary. We don't see it like that because we are emotionally tied to ISU. Fans think the best way to do that is to win but if we still pay there is no incentive to improve the product.
Sooooo untrue. Winning gets you more money. More money than losing to FCS schools every could.
 

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Umm, no. You essentially equated the midset of Ford to a start-up working on cars in your garage. Ford sees static sales and they survive. A start-up see flat sales and they ultimately cannot pay their creditors.

you misunderstood the entire point of my post. his job is not to give Iowa State University money from the athletic department, it is to run the athletic department in a way that allows us to break even or turn a small "profit". His goal is to ensure ISU athletics remains profitable enough to continue to operate: the Ford in your example. If he came out and cost the athletic department millions in losses or lost revenue he'd be gone. In that regard he has succeeded - more fans are in the seats and more fans are wearing ISU merchandise.

If we could win a NC and lose money we'd love it (the fans) but the school would hate it. If we went 3-9 every year and brought in millions in "profit" we'd hate it but the school would love it.

Which do you think is JP's number one goal? And only pick one.
 

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If I was the AD I would really reconsider how I do contract extensions.

Or find some way to get a clause for "holy **** how did we get that bad again" in there


Holy revisionist history.

When CPR signed that contract, he could have had the Pitt job, and you would have been one of the first to complain that JP didn't all he could to keep him.

Wisconsin contacted CPR.

This isn't like mac who linked HIS own name with various jobs.
 

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He's an unbelievable salesman.... that's all he is.

Wow, you keep topping yourself.

Look at the overall health of an athletic department that has to depend on the haves in the conference. That is what JP has done.

You really should just stop. I hope to hell we win saturday so you disappear, well until things go bad again.
 

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Let's assume I'm a chicken little then and you're the voice of reason. What is your expected record of the team the next 5 games, and the final record?

I think that you and I and everyone else knows that it is going to be bad.

I guess I want to see if how they play the rest of the season before I can make that determination.

It was not a coincidence that Mangino got a two year contract to be OC. That should give you a better idea of what is in Jamie's mind about making changes in the football program.
 

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Problem is.... we weren't even a good offense under Herman either. Go back and look. One of the worst offenses in FBS even when Herman was here I believe.

I'm beginning to think it's the scheme. Maybe we should do what teams like NDSU and Iowa do, and just try to maul people and run on them with more of a pro style offense. We build an OL and DL with big strong midwestern kids with great toughness and work ethic, and surround them with skill position talent from down south.

We just might not have the personnel to run this kind of offense like a Baylor or Oregon does.

But people always think we couldn't compete in the Big 12 with that kind of offense. Well, NDSU is now 2-0 against Big 12 teams. Iowa does fairly well against us too.

Gee Walden maybe we should bring back the triple option it worked so well before.
 

swarthmoreCY

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you misunderstood the entire point of my post. his job is not to give Iowa State University money from the athletic department, it is to run the athletic department in a way that allows us to break even or turn a small "profit". His goal is to ensure ISU athletics remains profitable enough to continue to operate: the Ford in your example. If he came out and cost the athletic department millions in losses or lost revenue he'd be gone. In that regard he has succeeded - more fans are in the seats and more fans are wearing ISU merchandise.

If we could win a NC and lose money we'd love it (the fans) but the school would hate it. If we went 3-9 every year and brought in millions in "profit" we'd hate it but the school would love it.

Which do you think is JP's number one goal? And only pick one.
You don't understand the fallacies of what you are saying. Or what i said. You are just regurgitating what is said at places in the top tier of revenue that are disappointed with a year of 8-4 or 7-5 and mad their AD will not hire their favorite candidate. ISU is not one of those. We are at the bottom.

We are not taking on debt and replacing facilities for ***** and giggles. JFC, ISU is damn near last in the P5 in revenue, yet you think JP and everyone are fine with just balancing the books? Get real. Have you heard the expression live to your means? JP was hired to grow those means. We are not the Ford, we are the cash starved start-up trying to compete with Ford. Withholding funds makes you more likely to fold up shop than see positive change.

Your pick one is flawed. We also do not expect him to cheat. If we won a NC and had a Title IX compliance issue he did not do his job. Having the books balanced is like asking for a college degree in the job listing. They could just as easily be unbalanced with 100 million as 25 million. The real choices of what JP is hired to do are a.) Keep our budget the same or b.) Increase our budget.
To think JP is going to be complacent is idiotic. The motivation that comes with worrying about not enough money and keeping things going in the right direction is a constant- fans do not need to protest with their wallets.
 
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