Freds Quote " Not playing for each other"

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It's not a good loss. Maryland is projected to finish in the middle of the Big 10 and they are much younger than us. Can we learn something from this loss absolutely, but we basically have two more chances in our non-conference to notch a quality win.

Wins always trump losses, but good losses can apply in CBB. But I use "good loss" sparingly (top-10 RPI away from home is usually required, at least). Unless Tuesday's result becomes too frequent, I don't think the loss will do much damage by the end of the regular season. Plus, if Maryland has a lot of youth, maybe the team will actually gain momentum and finish better than NIT-level (which was the preseason projection).

That's putting it in tourney-resume terms. Eye-test is probably a different matter.
 

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Everything looks good when shots go in, Alabama, and everything looks bad when shots don't go in, Maryland. As previously posted, my concern is defensive positioning and rotations, this needs cleaned up.
 

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Everything looks good when shots go in, Alabama, and everything looks bad when shots don't go in, Maryland. As previously posted, my concern is defensive positioning and rotations, this needs cleaned up.

We didn't look that great against Alabama either...
 

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Maryland would be a good matchup to Kentucky.

Whoa whoa whoa, nice shooting tex! We beat Maryland 8 out of 10 times, it's a meaningless glorified scrimmage before thanksgiving. That game has basically no meaning right now.
 

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I didn't get to watch the game. But from this quote, I assume that Bryce and probably others were playing Tinsley-ball. I know many of you don't remember from his days as a Clone that when the game got tough, Tinsley would forget his role and start playing every position, never passing off and shooting everything.

The moral of the story is that when you play Hoiball, you win. When you play Tinsley-ball, you don't.

That said, Fred needs to sit their butts down if they don't play with and for each other. And I don't care who it is. There's enough depth on the bench. No one is indispensable.

In the Alabama game, Fred did have BDJ on the bench quite a bit, so he has already used that strategy. Secondly, BDJ was on the bench more from turnovers trying to pass and throwing it away than he was hotdogging-all-for-me. I have actually been fairly impressed that he has tried to play more team ball than I expected this early in the season.
 

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This team probably can use a couple losses to get everyone to buy into hoiball. Once they do, the potential turns into a top program!

Still would like to see naz come off the bench.....that roll seems to fit him better
 

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sorry, didnt mean to come across as condescending. i just meant that it wasnt some random sub-par shooting performance that drove the loss.(because that will also likely happen at some point)


It's the natural state of WisIowa fans.
 

SerenityNow

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Was disappointed in the loss and the play of some of the players, but I'm not even close to panicking. Fred has proven to take transfers and mold them to his style and still allow them to flourish. Therefore, I am not concerned about BDJ. After the way Royce went after he left ISU, I imagine if Fred can get him to buy in, shouldn't be too hard for BDJ.

As I've said before, it's one game in November. I feel pretty good we'll look back on this game as an aberration, just like WVU last year, Drake 2-3 years ago, etc.
 

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Maryland looked pretty damn good, we looked awful (in relationship to how we want to play) and yet they didn't get away from us.

I think they caught us by surprise by starting that huge line-up and when we didn't make them pay (not making shots) the malaise set in.

More data is needed.
 

CascadeClone

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Good loss. I couldn't be less concerned.

I wouldn't call it a good loss, but it's nothing to freak out about (e.g. losing to FCS team in football).

Nader still figuring out his role. 3 key guys had bad nights (Georges, Houge, Monte). Bad matchup for us in terms of height. Terrible shooting night. It's early and we have historically had slow starts due to the team nature of hoiball - last year being a big exception.

It's basketball. Some nights, it just doesn't go your way. So let's remain calm and look for Fred to coach them up and improve. Let's see how good they are in March.



Also, what game were the officials watching ?!?!? (jk jk)
 

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May never see this group shoot that poorly again all season. Guys missed shots and the frustration set in way too early. Didn't like what I saw from Monte - forcing the issue and forcing shots. People call BDJ selfish and while partially true Tuesday night - no one else was producing on offense. I think he did what he felt he had to.

The teamwork thing is really an easily correctable item. Can't fix lack of talent...which is not the issue here. We got spoiled last season with a team that gelled right from the start. Not common for a new/transfer/young group.

This season it hasn't clicked as easily but I expect that will come. It always has under Fred.
 

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Not hitting 3s was key last night. It allowed them to pack it in under the basket. As someone else said, some days the shots just won't fall, but more commonly, people are just casting up a 3 rather than running the offense. There is a world of difference between catching the ball and shooting in rhythm vs just standing there and throwing up a 3 with a defender on you. We had a 3 on 2 break with a guy wide open in the corner and we didn't get him the ball. If our guys learn from it, it's a good loss and reality check.
agreed. it also seems like we've had a lot more errant passes this year. catching the ball at your feet or having to jump for it can make a huge difference. Not only does it allow the defender time to get there, it throws off the shooters rhythm.
 

Cydkar

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Explaining how we lost WITHOUT HAVING WATCHED THE GAME is a microcosm of this board.
 

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i dont want to hear about the shooting percentage. the percentage was low because they took horrible shots, and they took horrible shots because they were selfish. it wasnt some statistical fluke.
Pretty fair assessment, we had some good looks but our players shooting a three with a guy in his face with 15 secs left in the shot clock was frustrating.
 

bosco

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Whoa whoa whoa, nice shooting tex! We beat Maryland 8 out of 10 times, it's a meaningless glorified scrimmage before thanksgiving. That game has basically no meaning right now.

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HerkClone

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It's actually surprising that this hasn't happened sooner with this type of recruiting philosophy. Fred's been fortunate up to this point that his previous teams have all bought in.

I am a bit surprised there wasn't more issues with Kane but there wasn't very much adversity for him to deal with. At least until he didn't get drafted.