BLUM: Paul Rhoads deserves another climb

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Fair point. The idea I was trying to get across was Rhoads can't change the fact that he has won 5 games in two years. I tried to explain the reason why that happened. And then make the point that within the cycle of peaks and valleys, Iowa State is due to trend up again. Blowing up the operation now would prevent that immediate climb.

Appreciate you reading and the discussion.

The problem is the goal has become getting out of the valley. Now we are looking at trending up as success? No one is even looking at the peak. JP and PR should both be gone. JP knows he owns the cellar with PR. It is a little tough for JP to point out PR has failed in his job without JP looking foolish.
 

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The problem is PR has led us into this "valley". The trend is downward and recruiting has been an issue despite better records in the past. PR has a mighty tough sell to fans and recruits that despite leading us into a box canyon, he is the man to lead us out. JP has become a banker who has loaned a farmer more money than the farm is worth. JP and PR have become inseparable partners on this hike and JP is ready to follow PR right off the cliff. JP has no choice and they both should be gone. Nebraska lets Bo go in the search to find the coach who will get them to the peak. ISU is stumbling around in the valley and no one even wants to talk about the peak. We know where Nebraska wants to go. What is the message to the football world about where ISU wants to go??

Nebraska is delusional. Firing a coach and hiring another as a replacement does not guarantee success. And the coach that Nebraska just hired has had success and failures very similar to our own CPR. The reason Nebraska fired Pelini had to do with his abrasive personality. They just did not like the guy.

We are entering the home stretch as far as getting some of the help we need for our defense next year.

Both Nebraska and Kansas replaced their coaches. Do you think those were great hires? Do you think that they will have massive improvement?

You say that JP needs to go. I disagree. I also believe that CPR gets at least next year and then make an assessment then. So I agree with JP there.

You sound like another reactionary fan who thinks that cleaning house makes everything better. That is not how it works.
 
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Stormin

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It shouldn't even be up for debate.
Just like NDSU this year, UNI is a must-win, since it's a barometer for the whole season.

So K-State should have fired Snyder after they lost to NDSU in 2013? Was it a barometer for the whole season?
 

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I enjoy Blum, but this is not one of his best articles. He makes a statement (keep Rhoads) and doesn't back it up with facts that pertain to the statement, just opinions. The fact is virtually all schools would not keep a coach that shows such a downward spiral of a record. Two wins in the sixth year is not ok. The reasons are all Rhoads doing mainly being a poor evaluator of talent in coaching and football players. Recruiting has been Rhoads problem along and it is not getting better. I will agree his coaches changes at the end of season FIVE was a step in the right direction, but it is too little too late. Time to move on. The problem is Pollard doesn't seem to have a clue in hiring football coaches so he is taking the easy way out by doing nothing.
 

Stormin

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No. Snyder has a proven track record of excellence.
Rhoads has shown that his losses to FCS teams indicate a 2-3 win season, or maybe even less.

You know it's not a valid comparison, but thanks for playing.

Sagarin has North Dakota State rated at #35. Possibly win a 4th straight FCS title. And ranked higher than most of the Big Ten.

We should beat FCS teams. But at least acknowledge that we played the best of the best FCS team.
 

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Sagarin has North Dakota State rated at #35. Possibly win a 4th straight FCS title. And ranked higher than most of the Big Ten.

We should beat FCS teams. But at least acknowledge that we played the best of the best FCS team.

If using Sagarin to acknowledge that we played the best FCS team, then we must also acknowledge that Sagarin also has 5 FCS teams rated higher than us.
 

Stormin

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I enjoy Blum, but this is not one of his best articles. He makes a statement (keep Rhoads) and doesn't back it up with facts that pertain to the statement, just opinions. The fact is virtually all schools would not keep a coach that shows such a downward spiral of a record. Two wins in the sixth year is not ok. The reasons are all Rhoads doing mainly being a poor evaluator of talent in coaching and football players. Recruiting has been Rhoads problem along and it is not getting better. I will agree his coaches changes at the end of season FIVE was a step in the right direction, but it is too little too late. Time to move on. The problem is Pollard doesn't seem to have a clue in hiring football coaches so he is taking the easy way out by doing nothing.


So which Athletic Director do you choose to replace Jamie Pollard? And what should he do differently?
 

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If using Sagarin to acknowledge that we played the best FCS team, then we must also acknowledge that Sagarin also has 5 FCS teams rated higher than us.

Correct. We are not a good team. Neither is Iowa or most of the Big Ten.
 

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I just want to thank Rhoads for my complete apathy in a program I have been following since I was born. Been going to games since I was three and this is only the second time in my life (Walden years) that I could care less to even watch ISU play. The one positive, the money I save for my renewals has already been spent on a trip to Disney, so the kids also say thanks Rhoads.
 

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I just want to thank Rhoads for my complete apathy in a program I have been following since I was born. Been going to games since I was three and this is only the second time in my life (Walden years) that I could care less to even watch ISU play. The one positive, the money I save for my renewals has already been spent on a trip to Disney, so the kids also say thanks Rhoads.

Goodbye. Don't look back. Have fun at Disney. Long lines and overpriced everything. Enjoy.
 

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Nebraska is delusional. Firing a coach and hiring another as a replacement does not guarantee success. And the coach that Nebraska just hired has had success and failures very similar to our own CPR. The reason Nebraska fired Pelini had to do with his abrasive personality. They just did not like the guy.

We are entering the home stretch as far as getting some of the help we need for our defense next year.

Both Nebraska and Kansas replaced their coaches. Do you think those were great hires? Do you think that they will have massive improvement?

You say that JP needs to go. I disagree. I also believe that CPR gets at least next year and then make an assessment then. So I agree with JP there.

You sound like another reactionary fan who thinks that cleaning house makes everything better. That is not how it works.
My response didn't post??? Anyway....if wanting to change now is considered "reactionary" when is it not? How much more of this do we endure? Next year.....the year after? Where is the bar set for "trending up"? And why such a vague term to define coaches future tenure?
 
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I just want to thank Rhoads for my complete apathy in a program I have been following since I was born. Been going to games since I was three and this is only the second time in my life (Walden years) that I could care less to even watch ISU play. The one positive, the money I save for my renewals has already been spent on a trip to Disney, so the kids also say thanks Rhoads.

While we are thanking people, I would like to thank Rhoads for bringing life back this football program. I would like to thank him for the good times throughout his tenure, for the biggest win in school history, for the bowl trips, and for teams that we could be proud of as a fanbase. Even though I would like to see Pollard break ties with Rhoads because of a couple disappointing seasons, I'm glad this program had some success along the way.
 

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So K-State should have fired Snyder after they lost to NDSU in 2013? Was it a barometer for the whole season?

Had Snyder at that point lost to 3 FCS opponents in a row? Was his record over his last 25 games 5-20? Apples. Oranges. You.
 

Stormin

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Had Snyder at that point lost to 3 FCS opponents in a row? Was his record over his last 25 games 5-20? Apples. Oranges. You.



He said that a loss to an FCS team is a barometer for the season. It isn't. BTW, I expect us to beat UNI next year. And I don't think a win over them guarantees a great season. Just like our win over Iowa this year did not guarantee anything.
 
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joefrog

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I just want to thank Rhoads for my complete apathy in a program I have been following since I was born. Been going to games since I was three and this is only the second time in my life (Walden years) that I could care less to even watch ISU play. The one positive, the money I save for my renewals has already been spent on a trip to Disney, so the kids also say thanks Rhoads.

My dad loves football. Loves it. Due to advancing age and decreasing mobility, he didn't attend an ISU game this year for the first time since, I dunno, 1984? After seeing the early games, he just couldn't find motivation to attend. And this is a guy that, like me, sat through every single home game of 0-10-1 1994.

That is where ISU football is now. My nieces, who love ISU, Cy, the atmosphere at Trice, sad no thanks to the last game. They are under 10. Seems they are better at understanding vibes than JP.
 

joefrog

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We will not fire CPR in mid-season. It would never happen. So why even suggest it?

Because he should have been fired this year after KU or Oklahoma. The guy is in over his head and it shows. Should have let Mangino take over and see what he can do.
 

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He said that a loss to an FCS team is a barometer for the season. It isn't. BTW, I expect us to beat UNI next year. And I don't think a win over them guarantees a great season. Just like our win over Iowa this year did not guarantee anything.

It has been for Rhoads. That's not really debatable with the facts. When he beats the FCS team, he has a decent season. When he doesn't, he has a train wreck.

If he loses to UNI, can him or cane him. Either way is fine with me.
 

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