Kansas fans

[chuckd4735]

Twocoach pretty much disappeared from CF for a few days when ISU beat KU, yet today she is posting at an alarming rate.

 

[jsb]

I claim?!? Don't lump me in with other people. And if you have the ncaa tourney results available please send me a dopy. I'd love to win a billion dollar bracket. And maybe this year isn't the year to bust on KU for only getting up for the big games: "We get amped up against Kansas, but when we play Texas Tech, it's not the same outcome," said Morris, who scored 20 points. "We saw 'Tech' across their jersey and took them for granted. That's all it was." I'd be more than a little worried about how dialed in ISU will be against a team they view as beneath them in the ncaa tourney.

All I know, is that more often than not, Kansas is booted out of the NCAA by a team that is seeded much lower than them. Frankly, it is getting embarrassing for the Big 12. Bill Self might want to take some pointers from Hoiberg on how to get your team to peak at the right time. Under Hoiberg, Iowa State has consistently over performed in the NCAA. The best example of this is last year. Last year Kansas got booted in the 2nd round by a 10 seed or a 7 seed or some nonsense like that. Obviously, Kansas was playing without Joelle. But Iowa State lost their most unique player in the first round of the NCAA and with 1 day to prepare was able to beat a 6 seed and advance to the Sweet 16. Baylor has been more impressive in the NCAA than Kansas has. Like I said, it is embarrassing for the Big 12.

Obviously Hoiberg's teams need to work on continuing to have better regular seasons, but considering how far they have come in 4-plus years, I have little doubt he can do it.

 

[CyStalker]

Then can we agree that at least the Kansas fan that posts the most on this site has NO PROBLEM with the booing at Hilton or at AFH and move on already?!? If you want to rant about KU fans complaining about it on a KU forum, man up and go over there and give them a hard time about it.

We CLEARLY have a different definition of "manning up". I don't feel the need to go over to another fan bases message board to antagonize them. That's far from being "manly". It's called a troll.

 

[twocoach]

All I know, is that more often than not, Kansas is booted out of the NCAA by a team that is seeded much lower than them. Frankly, it is getting embarrassing for the Big 12. Bill Self might want to take some pointers from Hoiberg on how to get your team to peak at the right time. Under Hoiberg, Iowa State has consistently over performed in the NCAA. The best example of this is last year. Last year Kansas got booted in the 2nd round by a 10 seed or a 7 seed or some nonsense like that. Obviously, Kansas was playing without Joelle. But Iowa State lost their most unique player in the first round of the NCAA and with 1 day to prepare was able to beat a 6 seed and advance to the Sweet 16. Baylor has been more impressive in the NCAA than Kansas has. Like I said, it is embarrassing for the Big 12. Obviously Hoiberg's teams need to work on continuing to have better regular seasons, but considering how far they have come in 4-plus years, I have little doubt he can do it.

You cannot lose to a team seeded better than you when you're always a #1 seed. Every loss is an upset if you go purely by seed. Less than two #1 seeds a year make the Final Four and no program has more wins in the ncaa tourney since Bill Self arrived at Kansas. You can try to state all the stats and examples you want to try to downplay Kansas and their accomplishments over the last 11 years. Sure I wish they'd make the Final Four every year, we all do. But I am pretty happy with the results KU has had with Coach Self. Check back in seven years with Coach Hoiberg and you'll find some peaks and valleys over the decade as well. Same with Coach K, Calipari, Williams, Izzo, Pitino, Boeheim, etc... You are requiring a standard that not one program or coach has ever met in the history of the game.

 

[wonkadog]

Probably all the grabbing, hacking and tripping that ISU was doing trying to deny KU players from getting to the inbounds pass the last 4+ minutes. And for the record, I have no problem with it not being called. Mason getting pushed to the ground with no call was the only one I thought should have been called.

You mean where he ran past one of our guys and fell over as if he'd been shot?? I'm glad the ref didn't call that complete acting job. He has quickly become my most hated player in the conference because of his laziness and cheap fouls that he draws. How many times do you see him end up in the cheerleaders, fall down like he's been punched in the head, or drive into the lane and throw up a crap shot and fall down to get a foul called. I suppose you like it if he's on your team but it's annoying to everyone else.

 

[RedlineSi]

http://kansas.scout.com/forums/2481-hoops-talk/13626996-magic-isn-t-real?s=172

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[twocoach]

You mean where he ran past one of our guys and fell over as if he'd been shot?? I'm glad the ref didn't call that complete acting job. He has quickly become my most hated player in the conference because of his laziness and cheap fouls that he draws. How many times do you see him end up in the cheerleaders, fall down like he's been punched in the head, or drive into the lane and throw up a crap shot and fall down to get a foul called. I suppose you like it if he's on your team but it's annoying to everyone else.

You nailed it. When Morris ends up flat on his face after a drive it is because he was hacked and it didn't get called but when Mason ends up flat on his face after a drive it is because he's lazy and is trying to draw cheap fouls. The other team is always faking it and the refs never call anything on our team. Pretty much sums up fandom on all sides in a nutshell.

 

[jsb]

You cannot lose to a team seeded better than you when you're always a #1 seed. Every loss is an upset if you go purely by seed. Less than two #1 seeds a year make the Final Four and no program has more wins in the ncaa tourney since Bill Self arrived at Kansas. You can try to state all the stats and examples you want to try to downplay Kansas and their accomplishments over the last 11 years. Sure I wish they'd make the Final Four every year, we all do. But I am pretty happy with the results KU has had with Coach Self. Check back in seven years with Coach Hoiberg and you'll find some peaks and valleys over the decade as well. Same with Coach K, Calipari, Williams, Izzo, Pitino, Boeheim, etc... You are requiring a standard that not one program or coach has ever met in the history of the game.

losing in the second round when you are a 1 or 2 seed is bringing down our conference. Simple

 

[Bigman38]

You mean where he ran past one of our guys and fell over as if he'd been shot?? I'm glad the ref didn't call that complete acting job. He has quickly become my most hated player in the conference because of his laziness and cheap fouls that he draws. How many times do you see him end up in the cheerleaders, fall down like he's been punched in the head, or drive into the lane and throw up a crap shot and fall down to get a foul called. I suppose you like it if he's on your team but it's annoying to everyone else.

Mason should be writing weekly thank you letters to refs for deciding to ignore his constant handchecking. He couldn't even get a foul called him when he intentionally fouled Morris on a fast break lay up.

 

[Jnick]

Lord knows Kansas wasn't booing at the refs... actually I'm not sure what they would've even been booing about.

No, no ..... they were saying Booo urns.

 

[wonkadog]

You nailed it. When Morris ends up flat on his face after a drive it is because he was hacked and it didn't get called but when Mason ends up flat on his face after a drive it is because he's lazy and is trying to draw cheap fouls. The other team is always faking it and the refs never call anything on our team. Pretty much sums up fandom on all sides in a nutshell.

Mason falls over at the touch of a fingernail. His game is a mini-version of Aaron White's where they just drive into a crowd and fall into heap, forcing the refs to call a foul. On that attempt to break the press, the ref was standing 5 feet away and could see him jerk his head back in an Oscar-award winning performance and surprisingly decided to make the correct call even though he knew it would not be popular.

As for Morris, I don't remember mentioning him but you can go discuss that in other threads if you like. I will not argue that the lunatic fringe in both fan bases will never admit to wrong-doing by their team.

 

[abcguyks]

You cannot lose to a team seeded better than you when you're always a #1 seed. Every loss is an upset if you go purely by seed. Less than two #1 seeds a year make the Final Four and no program has more wins in the ncaa tourney since Bill Self arrived at Kansas. You can try to state all the stats and examples you want to try to downplay Kansas and their accomplishments over the last 11 years. Sure I wish they'd make the Final Four every year, we all do. But I am pretty happy with the results KU has had with Coach Self. Check back in seven years with Coach Hoiberg and you'll find some peaks and valleys over the decade as well. Same with Coach K, Calipari, Williams, Izzo, Pitino, Boeheim, etc... You are requiring a standard that not one program or coach has ever met in the history of the game.

Only four times in Self's 11 years at KU have his teams played to or above their seed. Those years were 2004, 2008, 2009 and 2012. Self's teams at KU have played to or above their seed only 36% of the time. KU even lost to double digit seeds in four of those tournament appearances.

In contrast, Hoiberg's teams have played to or above their seeds in all three of their NCAA appearances.

Looks like Self needs to work on doing a better job of upholding the B12's reputation.

 

[twocoach]

losing in the second round when you are a 1 or 2 seed is bringing down our conference. Simple

Gotcha. We'll try to do better.

 

[NATEizKING]

Hilton Magic isn't real sign doesn't make as much sense when you lose that game.

http://kansas.scout.com/forums/2481-hoops-talk/13626996-magic-isn-t-real?s=172

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Perhaps they could answer my question?

 

[twocoach]

Only four times in Self's 11 years at KU have his teams played to or above their seed. Those years were 2004, 2008, 2009 and 2012. Self's teams at KU have played to or above their seed only 36% of the time. KU even lost to double digit seeds in four of those tournament appearances. In contrast, Hoiberg's teams have played to or above their seeds in all three of their NCAA appearances. Looks like Self needs to work on doing a better job of upholding the B12's reputation.

Where did you hang your "Played To Seed" banner? Honestly, I bet there are ISU fans cringing in embarrassment when reading this nonsense.

 

[NATEizKING]

Only four times in Self's 11 years at KU have his teams played to or above their seed. Those years were 2004, 2008, 2009 and 2012. Self's teams at KU have played to or above their seed only 36% of the time. KU even lost to double digit seeds in four of those tournament appearances.

In contrast, Hoiberg's teams have played to or above their seeds in all three of their NCAA appearances.

Looks like Self needs to work on doing a better job of upholding the B12's reputation.

A lot of that is probably from winning mediocre Big 12 titles, inflating their already over-inflated ego's.

 

[jsb]

Where did you hang your "Played To Seed" banner? Honestly, I bet there are ISU fans cringing in embarrassment when reading this nonsense.

facts are facts. Im guessing he is right. Kansas deserves credit for earning those high seeds. Kansas deserves blame for losing as a high seed very often.

Look at how Iowa state destryed uconn and nd in hoibergs first 2 ncaa years. Iowa state was seeded below nd and was an 8 or 9 against uconn. Last year with 1 days notice they managed to beat a 6 seed without a key player. Kansas was without a key player for several weeks and yet couldn't beat Stanford (a7 or 10 seed).

Bill self elf does not prepare his teams well for ncaa. That is bad for the rest of the conference b/c it makes us look bad.

 

[NATEizKING]

facts are facts. Im guessing he is right. Kansas deserves credit for earning those high seeds. Kansas deserves blame for losing as a high seed very often.

Look at how Iowa state destryed uconn and nd in hoibergs first 2 ncaa years. Iowa state was seeded below nd and was an 8 or 9 against uconn. Last year with 1 days notice they managed to beat a 6 seed without a key player. Kansas was without a key player for several weeks and yet couldn't beat Stanford (a7 or 10 seed).

Bill self elf does not prepare his teams well for ncaa. That is bad for the rest of the conference b/c it makes us look bad.

Best conference all year then it's only ISU and Baylor in the Sweet 16. That was rather embarassing.

 

[abcguyks]

Where did you hang your "Played To Seed" banner? Honestly, I bet there are ISU fans cringing in embarrassment when reading this nonsense.

Is that really the best you can come up with?

The best explanation would seem to be that Self's teams get overseeded on a regular basis.

 

[twocoach]

Is that really the best you can come up with? The best explanation would seem to be that Self's teams get overseeded on a regular basis.

So dumb. Less than half the #1 seeds make the Final Four every year. It's not because they were overseeded. Good grief.