ISU falls to 14th. UNI 13 in AP

[cyclones500]

This is why people shouldn't have faith in AP voters. Here are two great reasons. Yep UNI is better than Arizona...right.

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/scott-wolf/2014/week-14

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/kieran-darcy/2014/week-14

Even more so than having UNI above Arizona, Kieran Darcy also has UNI ranked above Kansas — and it betrays his own rankings:

(Numbers are his ranks, except where RPI is indicated)

7 UNI
Notable wins:
12 Wichita State
(UR) Iowa
Next highest RPI win: at Stephen F. Austin (85)
Losses:
23 at VCU
(UR) at Evansville
Opponents with RPI 101 and below: 17 (16-1)

9 KU
Notable wins:
11 Utah
13 Oklahoma
14 Iowa State
18 at Baylor
(UR) at Georgetown
Next highest RPI win: vs. Michigan State (52)
Losses:
1 at Kentucky
14 at Iowa State
22 at Oklahoma State
(UR) at Temple
Opponents with RPI 101 and below: 7 (7-0)

 

[WastedTalent]

I don't really see the big deal. None of it matters.

+1

 

[cyclones12321]

Uni is good but we are way more talented and would beat the 7 of 10 times imo. With that said keep up the good work uni.

 

[HFCS]

People asking why UNI or WSU should be top 15 teams aren't haters but practicing common sense. WSU has zero impressive wins, 0-3 vs the best 3 teams they played, they are fringe top 25 material. UNI has wins over that WSU team at home, Iowa in a neutral game that had a home UNI atmosphere, anda not great road loss. These are simple facts.

uni should definitely be ranked but stop moving up by beating nobodies, they should have stayed around 15-20 unless they nab a road win @wsu. WSU should have been 20-30 range all season.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

Why are we talking about a team that will lose in the 1st round of the tourney?

 

[cycloneworld]

The media needs the one or two mid-major darlings to drool over each year. This year:

Gonzaga is 2-1 vs RPI Top 25 and 4-1 vs. Top 50. Not bad at all.
Wichita St is 0-2 vs. RPI Top 25 and 1-2 vs. Top 50. Iowa has a better resume by far.
UNI is 1-1 vs. RPI Top 25 and 2-1 vs. RPI Top 50.

These mid majors go into the tournament highly ranked and almost always lose early. There is a reason why....they play a mostly crap schedule all year.

To compare UNI and ISU, Iowa State has played 6 games against the RPI Top 25 compared to UNI's 2 and 9 vs. the RPI Top 50 vs. UNI's 3.

So basically, we have no clue how good UNI actually is.

 

[Spam]

There is a very valid reason for this. Our name is Iowa State, and Not Notre Dame or Arizona. Less sexy for the Voters who really dont pay attention to everything they should.

Except that UNI's name isn't Notre Dame or Arizona either

 

[isuno1fan]

Why are we talking about a team that will lose in the 1st round of the tourney?

So they are gonna lose to a 14 or 15 seed in Omaha?

:wideeyed:

 

[Spam]

I thought we were the media's favorite team this year. Wasnt there a thread about that recently.

 

[Three4Cy]

AP - the same poll that had TCU ranked, enough said.

 

[HFCS]

I don't care about week to week rankings that much. I think ISU is so wildly inconsistent it wears on AP voters minds.

If we played very consistant with all of our talent we would be a top ten team no doubt. But laying eggs at Baylor and tech like we did, doesn't help our case.

UNI is a good team, and they play consistant. They will get the nod over ISU under those circumstances. Now you put ISU vs UNI both teams playing their best ball, ISU would thump them badly.

We 'laid an egg' by losing by one point at a better opponent than UNI will face the entire season. That illustrates the point better than anything else in the thread.

 

[Bigman38]

UNI is in a perfect position to take advantage of a broken ranking system. Let the tigerhawks live up their 15 minutes.

 

[Cy$]

AP poll has ZERO to do with NCAA tournament selection.

this

SMU was ranked 25th before Selection Sunday.

didn't get in. committee doesn't care about AP or coaches poll. RPI, Sagarin(not as much), Top 50 wins, Road wins, bad losses are what they look for.

 

[phantom]

Even more so than having UNI above Arizona, Kieran Darcy also has UNI ranked above Kansas — and it betrays his own rankings:

(Numbers are his ranks, except where RPI is indicated)

7 UNI
Notable wins:
12 Wichita State
(UR) Iowa
Next highest RPI win: at Stephen F. Austin (85)
Losses:
23 at VCU
(UR) at Evansville
Opponents with RPI 101 and below: 17 (16-1)

9 KU
Notable wins:
11 Utah
13 Oklahoma
14 Iowa State
18 at Baylor
(UR) at Georgetown
Next highest RPI win: vs. Michigan State (52)
Losses:
1 at Kentucky
14 at Iowa State
22 at Oklahoma State
(UR) at Temple
Opponents with RPI 101 and below: 7 (7-0)

Kieran Darcy played four years of JV basketball at Penn and brags about in his ESPN bio...LOL!!!!!

[h=3]Kieran Darcy[/h] Chats | E-mail Kieran Darcy is an ESPNNewYork.com staff writer. He joined ESPN in August 2000 after graduating from the University of Pennsylvania, where he played four years of JV basketball.

 

[megamanxzero35]

Honestly, this drop will be a good thing I hope in the short term. The guys follow rankings. They are always looking for things to motivate themselves. You think they aren't ticked they got dropped 3 spots for losing at the hardest home court advantage in the conference and laying a beatdown on Saturday?

Hopefully this fires up the guys to prove something tonight.

 

[jbhtexas]

I have no problem with the ranking. I posted a similar thought in the "Giant Killer" thread...until ISU can show some consistency on the road, many are going to question ISU, and it's justified.

Now...take out OU and WVU this week, and you can probably expect a jump next Monday. On the other hand, if ISU goes 1-1 this week, expect another drop next Monday.

 

[Cybyassociation]

Why put UNI in this thread. Who cares about them? They don't even exist to me and are irrelevant.

Well...they're ranked higher than ISU and have been on an absolute roll lately. I would say they are incredibly relevant.

 

[HFCS]

Honestly, this drop will be a good thing I hope in the short term. The guys follow rankings. They are always looking for things to motivate themselves. You think they aren't ticked they got dropped 3 spots for losing at the hardest home court advantage in the conference and laying a beatdown on Saturday?

Hopefully this fires up the guys to prove something tonight.

And inversely it typically kills the underdog chip that mid major conference teams need to go deep. Even a team like Gonzaga with elite talent, they need motivational edge for the big leap up in competition after a few months of scrimmaging their conference.

 

[Spam]

There have been plenty of times this year where we've probably been ranked a spot or two higher than we should have been.

In any case this can't be a terrible thing, with this low-ish ranking coming out a few hours before tip off in a crucial away game.

 

[AMarner32]

SIAP, but Scott Wolf (LA Daily News) has us 25th in his poll. Nobody else has us lower than 17th. He had us 14th last week, so I guess losing at Phog Allen is enough to drop nine spots in his poll.