REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

jbhtexas

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Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Not that far off.

re·fute

(rĭ-fyo͞ot′)tr.v. re·fut·ed, re·fut·ing, re·futes1. To prove to be false or erroneous; overthrow by argument or proof: refute testimony.
2. To deny the accuracy or truth of: refuted the results of the poll.
3. Usage Problem To repudiate.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/refuted

Hines should have been as concerned about getting his facts straight as the Pollard haters are about the precise use of the word refute...
 

IAStubborn

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Hines's story basically was about the team checking out of a hotel on time and having to find somewhere to hang out for 5 hours and coaches having to pay taxes on free things they received.

No I think it was about Hoiberg being frustrated with Jamie. The salary desctiption, the department briefing, not wanting to give him a raise and the mentioning the raise as reason for increased ticket costs were the things I thought were the big deal. Those were true.
 

BBHMagic

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I agree with all this. First, I don't think it was a story that needed to be told. There wasn't a whole lot of substance to this reporting. However, I find it a bit disingenuous for Fred to swoop in and refute the story. He obviously has did something that caused otherwise to perceive this rift between him and JP. I just have a hard time thinking that multiple sources would just make up the same story. I have no doubt he said or did something in private that caused people to reach these conclusions, and now he has to save face as he, the golden boy, can't look like he was disgruntled.

Story probably could have gone untold, but I'd really prefer Fred stick to the big leagues and leave us little people alone. It's time to move on, Hines, JP, Hoiberg, fans...it's time for everyone to move on.

Maybe, but what? What part of all the different things that Hines stated couldn't have easily come from someone else? I don't think any of the blame should placed on Fred here.
 

IAStubborn

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If it debunks the source it debunks the article. Whatever, arguing over this is getting tired and passed stupid a long time ago. Nobody's opinion on this is going to change anyways. I didn't question the article at first, but the interviews from JP and Hoiberg switched my opinion significantly. Others aren't going to see it that way. So be it.

I question the article but I also don't think the rebuttal completly debunks it. I think it still sheds some light on Pollard's deficiencies.
 

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No I think it was about Hoiberg being frustrated with Jamie. The salary desctiption, the department briefing, not wanting to give him a raise and the mentioning the raise as reason for increased ticket costs were the things I thought were the big deal. Those were true.

Those aren't the headline, the national news outlets are leading with us being cheap and forcing our players to sleep in hotel ballrooms. And that would directly affect recruiting negatively.
 

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Doesn't seem that hard, just tell the recruits that the story isn't true. Not sure why this would have any impact on recruiting.

And do it in their very own state of the art dedicated practice facility that they can use 24/7. That ought to count for something?
 

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Do people think that Jamie can't be cheap? ISU historically has been a lower tier power 5 school. It's not like we are swimming in cash.
 

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Correct. Fred had dreams of going to NBA and also wasn't sure if he could take our basketball program to the next step. Good post.

Sounds like UAB loss burst the Fred bubble.
 

IAStubborn

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You say you read my post twice when everything I wrote explains away everything you are claiming. You really believe that Hoiberg making no comment or at the very least waiting for awhile to comment (instead of right after it's released) would make it difficult for him to come back to ISU? You obviously don't believe Fred means very much to Iowa State.
Whatever, Pollard walks on water and Hines wants to destroy his career by fabricating stuff. Makes sense. Carry on with your delusions.
 

BBHMagic

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I question the article but I also don't think the rebuttal completly debunks it. I think it still sheds some light on Pollard's deficiencies.

Like what? What did it tell us that we don't already know? I hope you're not saying it's ok to write articles smearing our athletic department with loads of false allegations as long as they throw in some facts that we already know.
 

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I know Legesse hasn't been mentioned but he edited and signed off on the article. So I'd say the blowback is for the Tribune in general. Not just Hines. I still don't get why they not only included such petty and easily refuted stuff, but they led with it and made it seem like a huge deal. A smaller article focusing on the issues surrounding Hoiberg's salary and how Jamie passive aggressively used it against him and stuff like that would have been higher quality and would have had a much greater impact. Because there is likely a lot more weight behind those claims. As it is, that stuff gets lost in the laughter and anger about how ridiculous the hotel and ticket stuff was.
 

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Maybe, but what? What part of all the different things that Hines stated couldn't have easily come from someone else? I don't think any of the blame should placed on Fred here.

I don't know what he did, but it must not have been a huge secret. I had heard before that Fred didn't necessarily like JP. Apparently, Keith Murphy had heard the same. People act like the sources were some rogue, disgruntled former coaches. Who would that be? Who left the program on bad terms? Mann would be the only one I can think of. Again, I just can't imagine there are multiple people who are telling the same lie. There's something that was done or said by Fred that led people to believe this. I should say, there isn't anything inherently wrong with that. Fred wouldn't be the first person in the world to take issue with his boss. I just think it's disingenuous to come in now and say everyone's lying. Surely he has more important **** to be dealing with in the big leagues.
 

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Those aren't the headline, the national news outlets are leading with us being cheap and forcing our players to sleep in hotel ballrooms. And that would directly affect recruiting negatively.

Lets see who cancels their visits. 2 weeks and this story is not only refuted but dead.
 

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I agree with all this. First, I don't think it was a story that needed to be told. There wasn't a whole lot of substance to this reporting. However, I find it a bit disingenuous for Fred to swoop in and refute the story. He obviously has did something that caused otherwise to perceive this rift between him and JP. I just have a hard time thinking that multiple sources would just make up the same story. I have no doubt he said or did something in private that caused people to reach these conclusions, and now he has to save face as he, the golden boy, can't look like he was disgruntled.

Story probably could have gone untold, but I'd really prefer Fred stick to the big leagues and leave us little people alone. It's time to move on, Hines, JP, Hoiberg, fans...it's time for everyone to move on.

Hines would say JP is still here and running a cheap program. Look at the Prohm contract.
 

BBHMagic

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Whatever, Pollard walks on water and Hines wants to destroy his career by fabricating stuff. Makes sense. Carry on with your delusions.

I guess if I have nothing you can refute you might as well make up things I never said and attack me. I happen to think Pollard has plenty of issues and Hines is actually my favorite by far sports writer. But I'm the one with delusions so what do I know.
 

Clonefan32

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Whatever, Pollard walks on water and Hines wants to destroy his career by fabricating stuff. Makes sense. Carry on with your delusions.

I have found this ironic as well. Pollard, with the multi-million dollar stadium renovates, coach driving the football program into the ground, one-for-four on hirings, can't afford any more bad press. Why is it universally assumed he is telling the truth?
 

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The fact that CW would allow the title to be edited to add refuted says everything about this story.
 

SpokaneCY

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I don't know what he did, but it must not have been a huge secret. I had heard before that Fred didn't necessarily like JP. Apparently, Keith Murphy had heard the same. People act like the sources were some rogue, disgruntled former coaches. Who would that be? Who left the program on bad terms? Mann would be the only one I can think of. Again, I just can't imagine there are multiple people who are telling the same lie. There's something that was done or said by Fred that led people to believe this. I should say, there isn't anything inherently wrong with that. Fred wouldn't be the first person in the world to take issue with his boss. I just think it's disingenuous to come in now and say everyone's lying. Surely he has more important **** to be dealing with in the big leagues.

I might offer that the "nearly double digit" sources may not have all opined on each "charge". So to say there were multiple people saying the same thing could easily be merely a few.
 

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