REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

[laminak]

I just read the story. What's the latest and how was this refuted? I don't want to dig through over 1000 posts.

Both Pollard and Hoiberg went on the radio and refuted the story.

The sleeping in the ballroom was overblown--they checked out at noon and had a 6 PM flight, so a handful of hours.

The paying for staff family's flights was either Hawaii or the NCAA tournament.

Hoiberg stated he had no issue with Pollard and money wasn't the issue with him leaving for Chicago.

 

[Dingus]

if the pay was the same for the ISU and Bulls job, note Fred already said no to Jamie about more money, and now Fred has to say I want to coach the Bulls over ISU ... how is that not embarrassing? Besides Fred was clear from day one that the NBA was his goal.

I don't think it's embaressing at all to turn down money to follow your dream. If someone thinks it's ok to change jobs for money but not to follow their dream then there's not much else to say.

I am assuming that we are talking about a contract offer from Pollard to Hoiberg while he was still the ISU head coach and before he was interviewing for the Bulls job, correct? You don't think that Hoiberg receiving and turning down that contract would have massive negative backlash on Hoiberg? Recruiting would be essentially DEAD. No recruit in their right mind would sign with a coach that just turned down a 100% salary raise because they didn't want to be tied to the program by a big NBA buyout clause. recruiting was already negatively impacted just by the unsupported notion that Hoiberg MIGHT leave. Every interview he would give from that day forward would be about that and not the team and games they were playing. It would be an epic distraction. Fred would look like the biggest jerk EVER for turning that offer down.

The premise was that Fred would have been offered a large raise during the Bulls negotiations. If he accepts he stays, if not he'd be gone. If he turns it down it shows that JP did all he could and that the move isn't solely about money.

Either way I don't care any more; I think Prohm will be very successful.

 

[cycloneworld]

After a day to think about, I still can't believe Hines didn't verify the Hawaii ballroom story. It would have been pretty easy to find out when the flight out happened instead of make that the key piece of your story.

 

[67CY]

If your assertion depends upon both Fred Hoiberg and Jamie Pollard to be bald-faced liars....well I guess if someone chooses to stake out that ground then they are entitled to that position.

Mouth of the Midwest called JP a liar yesterday on his radio show, and we all know MT always has all the facts.

 

[BACyclone]

Why does it make you wonder that? That's what I don't get, this isn't Hines vs. Pollard. It should make you wonder what the heck happened to the people Hines was talking to and Pollard.

I agree. More accurate. Although I still don't understand why Hines couldn't have taken what seems like should be relatively easy steps to corroborate some of the simple "nickle and dime" assertions in his story.

And JP made it sound like he had a decent idea, suspicion about whom the sources were, and that these were individuals no longer with the AD.

Regardless, I think the only negative thing some might say is that internal communication and team building within the AD might need a little improvement going forward. Maybe these were individuals with an axe to grind, hopefully the AD does what it can to stop handing out axes. Maybe some people can't be pleased, but still do whatever you can to avoid misunderstandings in the future. It's minutia I am sure, but probably worth it.

 

[Triggermv]

I really feel bad for Prohm in all of this mess. True or not, recruiting didn't get any easier because of this.

Yeah, and those on here saying that this isn't true because it has been well refuted are stupid for saying that. If not, tell me this, if an opposing coach were to whip out the Hines article in front of a recruit as a negative recruiting tool, do you really think 1. the recruit already knows all the details about the situation, so they'd obviously just dismiss it, or 2. the recruit will do his due diligence to listen to Hoiberg and Pollard's refute of the situation, as well as all other opposing details in order to develop a more level-headed informed opinion? Doubt it. Most probably have never heard of the situation until that point and are probably influenced at least somewhat by the information. Most probably wouldn't even bring it up to the ISU coaches to give them a chance to defend the situation, but maybe some do. My guess is they'd simply just store it in the back of the mind and have it play some small part in their overall decision, along with many other things. Again, we've got enough going against us, this surely can't help things. Lets just hope the damage is manageable.

 

[Judoka]

After a day to think about, I still can't believe Hines didn't verify the Hawaii ballroom story. It would have been pretty easy to find out when the flight out happened instead of make that the key piece of your story.

I'm sure Hines knew it was just for a couple hours. He led with it and made it seem like a big deal because it was perfect clickbait. If you go back to the first few pages of the thread that was the first thing people started questioning after having time to digest the allegations. But that lead in was what got the story to blow up initially, since he intentionally made it seem like they had to spend the night sleeping on the floor.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...-iowa-state-friction-randy-peterson/73119826/

Ok, Randy is being rational. Bizzaro world.

 

[carvers4math]

Leath: "Journalism is a very honorable profession, but not all journalists are honorable. Unfortunately we saw an example of that today." :wideeyed:

Thank you for posting this quote. I just refuse to click on WHO sports or ever listen to KXNO after those bozos decided to tweet out the Hines article, after already knowing the falsehoods it contained, to national press. As if calling us clowns on the air wasn't bad enough.

And thank you Dr. Leath.

 

[DeereClone]

TH says that we made the families' pay for the trip to SA.........forgot to mention that Fred asked permission to have the option of having the Hawaii trip covered by the school or having the NCAA trip covered by the school.....everyone took the Hawaii trip being covered, for obvious reasons.

It is like me saying "my boss made me work on Saturday" without saying "because I had specifically asked to have a Tuesday off that happened to be my son's birthday so I could spend it with him."

 

[MilehighClone]

They should have grabbed some party favors and headed down to the beach for the afternoon. Problem solved.

 

[CTTB78]

Here's my take on this.....

Oh, and by the way, just because Fred refutes the article does not mean he was happy with JP. And even Fred saying that his relationship with JP was great doesn't mean it was either. Fred doesn't have much choice than to take the high road here. It does him no good to throw his former boss under the bus. It makes Fred look bad too.

Agree...there is nothing to gain for Fred, Pollard, or Leath by confirming anything in the article. Why would you expect them to?

 

[BACyclone]

I really feel bad for Prohm in all of this mess. True or not, recruiting didn't get any easier because of this.

That's my biggest concern at this point. When casual observers of media only receive bits and pieces of news, particularly headlines (as in a tweet) that is damaging. So people pull out the quote "basketball players forced to sleep on their bags in a ballroom" and tweet out the article and here is some red meat for the negative recruiters. Never you mind it's a baseless accusation, the facts don't matter after the juicy quotes get handed out.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I agree. More accurate. Although I still don't understand why Hines couldn't have taken what seems like should be relatively easy steps to corroborate some of the simple "nickle and dime" assertions in his story.

And JP made it sound like he had a decent idea, suspicion about whom the sources were, and that these were individuals no longer with the AD.

Regardless, I think the only negative thing some might say is that internal communication and team building within the AD might need a little improvement going forward. Maybe these were individuals with an axe to grind, hopefully the AD does what it can to stop handing out axes. Maybe some people can't be pleased, but still do whatever you can to avoid misunderstandings in the future. It's minutia I am sure, but probably worth it.

I choose to look at the bigger picture here. I also give it the hok test, as in "if this were happening at UI how opposite would the CF reaction be?"...and I think it would be a lot different.

Hines is working on a word count and is doing a job for a giant corporation, it's not the "Travis Hines Tribune". I'm not saying there is or isn't more detail, but I do know that there are limitations that wouldn't allow him to write a 10000 word multi web page article. People won't read it in this day and age and it doesn't fit on the paper version.

 

[carvers4math]

After a day to think about, I still can't believe Hines didn't verify the Hawaii ballroom story. It would have been pretty easy to find out when the flight out happened instead of make that the key piece of your story.

I'm starting to believe he blew that out of proportion on purpose. It's either that or he's totally incompetent.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...-iowa-state-friction-randy-peterson/73119826/

Ok, Randy is being rational. Bizzaro world.

Hines and Randy swapped brains. Only explanation

 

[Triggermv]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...-iowa-state-friction-randy-peterson/73119826/

Ok, Randy is being rational. Bizzaro world.

Randy definitely isn't my favorite writer out there, but he did a good job with this

 

[KnappShack]

Lord we need to get some distance from the Hoiberg Era...

 

[CysRage]

Agree...there is nothing to gain for Fred, Pollard, or Leath by confirming anything in the article. Why would you expect them to?

If there was any truth to it, Fred also could have declined comment when KXNO wanted to interview him. Instead, he took time out of training camp to call in to KXNO to clear up the situation and help ISU get out of this mess.

 

[jsb]

Lord we need to get some distance from the Hoiberg Era...

yes we do.