Lets put the word "optimistically" in front of excited, and then I can drink the Kool-Aid for a few games!
Mangino OUT as OC. Sturdy is the guy!
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Lets put the word "optimistically" in front of excited, and then I can drink the Kool-Aid for a few games!
What does this really mean???? I know CPR is know for coach speak but I think there is way more to this one.....
'We tried to talk that through again this morning in an effort to get us moving in a different direction. In the end, Mark was not interested in that. I wish that wasn’t the case.'
'We tried to talk that through again this morning in an effort to get us moving in a different direction. In the end, Mark was not interested in that. I wish that wasn’t the case.'
I will say a few things and then walk away before being accused of ****...
Verified facts (higher than Hines threshold:wink:
1 - MM and CPR haven't gotten along almost since day 1, that hasn't been a secret to anybody. CPR has tried to have a lot more control (and has had it) than MM felt necessary, and MM was far less eager to try a slower offense than CPR wanted.
2 - MM hasn't made any friends within the AD, he's been on an island by himself to some degree. Some of that is just his personality, but some of it has been by design by both sides.
3 - The Sam vs Lanning issue will end up being used as the excuse by many as to why we haven't succeeded this year and why MM is out, but that is around 1% of it, if that. CPR has no ability to wash his hands of Lanning not starting until now as he has been the biggest Sam supporter all along.
4 - There is a very clear effort by pro-CPR supporters (including the AD's office) to lay the blame on MM for the last 2 years and to position CPR for next year. The bar will be lowered, the blame will be deflected, and they will assume all will be forgiven if we win another game down the stretch.
5 - CPR told the press before the players of MM's departure.
My personal opinion:
Every effort needs to be given to reject the narrative you hear over the next few days or you will absolutely be guaranteed 1-2 more years of CPR being "safe". Jamie wants to keep him and they will say and do a lot of things to keep the focus on topics other than the W/L column.
If you think MM has been responsible for Sam starting instead of Lanning, for the team never coming out with fire, for us never making adjustments at halftime, for the lack of disciplined football, etc - then not only are you mistaken, you have given JP a perfectly good reason for why CPR comes back next year.
So to be clear, you are saying that:
1. Rhoads forced Mangino to start Sam this entire time.
2. Today Rhoads hand was forced to put Lanning in as number one, so he decided to fire Mangino or Mangino quit because he was finally getting his way?
3. When Rhoads said that he didn't like that the offense lined up in the shot gun at the goal line, he was lying and he actually forced Mangino to do that?
Boy that Rhoads. He is diabolical.
I guarantee Mangino would have leaked it before the staff had a chance to tell the players anyway. This happened so quickly, I don't any issues how it was handled.
(And CycloneFanatic.com is now giving out "how to construct a phone tree" advice. It wouldn't have mattered how this was handled, some people would have still complained)
I think this is being blown out of proportion. It's not like a corporation where the entire staff is in the building and could be told before a scheduled press conference. When you're dealing with students, it's not really that easy. Not like he could call an emergency team meeting on a Monday morning and bring them all in. I respect him wanting to tell them eye to eye.
Long term solution? Highly doubtful. But a step in the right direction anyway.
Why should we listen to a former player when there are some many experts here?!
Oh great - now this thread is going to get shut down for an hour while Jeremy cleanses all of the posts calling him out for being a fake insider. Thanks a lot.
At this point in the season we are 2-5. No one expected us to beat Baylor or TCU. Our other three losses really boil down the offense not producing. The offense in the Toledo game was bad, the play calling at the beginning of the TT game was horrible and the 2nd half of the Iowa game was a complete mystery as to what happened. So realistically at best we should be 4-3 right now, because with a competent offense we may go 2-1 in those three games.
I don't have a problem with this happening. CPR is attempting to save his job, and he should. If they come out and go 3-2 or better the rest of the season, CPR will definitely be back next season. If we go 1-4 or worse he is gone and if we go 2-3 it will depend on how that 2-3 breaks down.
This team is definitely better than it was last year, and you can't expect a desperate coach to do what is best for the long term, although if CPR and Manigno were fighting about Lanning, then I would say CPR is trying to do what he can for the rest of this season with an eye towards next.
I don't have a problem with this happening. CPR is attempting to save his job, and he should. If they come out and go 3-2 or better the rest of the season, CPR will definitely be back next season. If we go 1-4 or worse he is gone and if we go 2-3 it will depend on how that 2-3 breaks down.
This team is definitely better than it was last year, and you can't expect a desperate coach to do what is best for the long term, although if CPR and Manigno were fighting about Lanning, then I would say CPR is trying to do what he can for the rest of this season with an eye towards next.
I don't see a downside to this, really. From everything I've seen and what I'm hearing on here, it was not working with Mangino.
He probably could have managed the news better, but I'm not sure it's worth getting worked up about. Frankly, that just depends on how the players handle it.
He probably could have managed the news better, but I'm not sure it's worth getting worked up about. Frankly, that just depends on how the players handle it.
Well, its not that simple. Had this happened yesterday or Saturday eveneing, and a press release went out before the players were told, Id agree. However, it happened prior to his weekly scheduled press conference, which was probably the most opportune time to tell the media.
Yep....I think this is it.
And to be clear, I'm not sure who I think is the bigger problem Rhoads or Mangino. But Rhoads is the head coach and I think he wants to go out his way. Apparently by the depth chart, Rhoads' way is running and with Lanning. Or maybe that was Mangino's way and Rhoads is just messing with everyone.
I doubt this move saves Rhoads job, but it will at least make the next month interesting.
Yeah....either he sends out a group text/email to all of the players. But because they have practice at 1:00, most of the players were in class.
Nothing is, especially for people who don't know even close to the whole story...which is why so many of these reactions on here are hilarious.
Eh, I think there are several of us posting about the same basic story. In the end, it didn't come down to, "Lanning starts or you're fired." And I completely echo what Jeremy said about Rhoads and Mangino not liking each other since the beginning. In fact, I think that was a pretty open secret. The stuff I've heard about Mangino being late and unprofessional I stated I couldn't say with 100% certainty, so I've never posted that before today. In the end, I do think this has something to do with CPR trying to do something to save his job, but also just sort of say "screw it, if I'm going out, I'm going out my way." But I sincerely hope Pollard isn't foolish enough to think that 1 win down the stretch and Mangino as a fall guy is enough to keep Rhoads another year and get even closer to the end of that contract. I hadn't heard that, but it makes so much based on Pollard's money management style. Despite what some want to believe, Hines' story had plenty of things right. If Paul goes 3-2 to end the year (I'm beyond skeptical) then he will be back, like it or not. Anything less than that, though, and who knows. But the fans probably would need to reject that narrative that Mangino was the problem in that scenario, like Jeremy said. Anyway, Homecoming this week!
If they go 3-2, he should be back. I see a very low probability of that happening but who knows. Team seemed to come to life after Lanning came in. Time will tell.
Either there has been a lot of crap going on behind the scenes, Rhoads is doing something to make it look like he's fixing the problem in any attempt to not get fired, or both.
That and this is his way of making sure Mangino doesn't get the nod to be the next head coach!
