I wasn't saying we're taking Temple, I was saying I believe Temple is a better option than UConn.
I don't like either option very much, but of the two, I would rather have Temple.
Big 12 realignment is back...looks like real changes coming soon.
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I wasn't saying we're taking Temple, I was saying I believe Temple is a better option than UConn.
I don't like either option very much, but of the two, I would rather have Temple.
I think the conference should roll the LHN to the Big 12 Network before expansion. Let's see which ACC schools get added rather than Cincy and UConn.
Nyc doesn't care about Rutgers but it didn't stop the cable companies from adding the big ten network. Similar logic applies here re: uconn. In fact, more people care about uconn then Rutgers in nyc.
Definitely agree its 99 percent pro sports in NYC btw. Just saying what happened before which would logically make uconn so appealing.
Definitely agree its 99 percent pro sports in NYC btw. Just saying what happened before which would logically make uconn so appealing.
I don't disagree with you but the rumor is ESPN wants 12 teams (more content) before they are willing to form the network. We have a chicken and egg thing going with trying to lure the ACC schools. So, the strategy appears to be get UCONN and Cinnci in the conference now. Get the network and see what happens with potential ACC implosion.
Temple is not even being considered. And Temple football, like UCONN football, is irrelevant to the Big 12. Once Temple starts playing a Big 12 schedule they will be floundering at the bottom......just like any of the teams the Big 12 is looking at, including Cinci.
None of the ACC is going to pull out IMO although that would be the dream scenario. No doubt the Big 12 screwed up when they did not take Pitt and Louisville.
I have no doubt the Big 12 is headed east. The question is if they are able to poach the teams from the ACC. If they can, that is the obvious choice. Otherwise I see the choices as being Cinci, UCONN, UCF and Memphis.
Dude...lol..Temple? You are comparing Temple with Uconn? Temple is not a good academic school. Uconn is a top 50 public academic institution. Your TV and pro sports argument doesn't fly..Again.....why do u thing he BIG took Rutgers?
And there is no comparison with Uconn bball and Temple...Uconn is a blue blood man. I could care less if Uconn joins the conf..but if we expand and create a conf network than Uconn makes total sense. Missouri is a pro sports state..SEC didn't seem to care.
This is all just really stupid. Could you imagine back in say 1980 when we were in the Big 8 Conference that someday we'd all be arguing about adding teams like UConn, Temple, BYU, some Florida schools, or even West Virginia for that matter, to our conference?
You'd think the person was insane to think we'd ever get to that point. UConn in the Big 12? Seriously? That's how dumb this has all gotten.
Leave it up to greed to completely ruin a good thing. There is no reason whatsoever for Nebraska and Missouri, and even Colorado to not be in our conference. It was so great back then. Huge rivalries between the schools. It was nothing for fans to drive to basically any of the other schools to watch a game.
OU vs. Nebraska football was probably the biggest rivalry in all of sports. Now Nebraska is basically a joke and a mediocre football team seemingly losing national prestige and prominence more and more every year. Missouri has not one single rival anymore, and their fans have no close games they can really travel to either. Their once proud basketball tradition is basically gone for good now that they are in a purely football conference. Norm Stewart has to be embarrassed what has happened to Missouri basketball.
Anyway... it's just sad to even think where we've arrived at today in sports. Greed has destroyed so many great things. It's not about the fans, only the almighty dollar. Do you think Missouri fans prefer traveling halfway across the country to Georgia or Florida instead of Kansas or Iowa? Do you think Nebraska fans like playing Rutgers instead of Oklahoma? It's just a joke.
I know we can't return to those days, and it will always be just a distant memory, but boy I sure wish we could. The more we go down the current road the least interested I become. I'm sorry, I just can't get excited about ISU playing UConn or Temple in football. Even if they were decent teams, I just can't get excited about that in any way.
You'd think the person was insane to think we'd ever get to that point. UConn in the Big 12? Seriously? That's how dumb this has all gotten.
Leave it up to greed to completely ruin a good thing. There is no reason whatsoever for Nebraska and Missouri, and even Colorado to not be in our conference. It was so great back then. Huge rivalries between the schools. It was nothing for fans to drive to basically any of the other schools to watch a game.
OU vs. Nebraska football was probably the biggest rivalry in all of sports. Now Nebraska is basically a joke and a mediocre football team seemingly losing national prestige and prominence more and more every year. Missouri has not one single rival anymore, and their fans have no close games they can really travel to either. Their once proud basketball tradition is basically gone for good now that they are in a purely football conference. Norm Stewart has to be embarrassed what has happened to Missouri basketball.
Anyway... it's just sad to even think where we've arrived at today in sports. Greed has destroyed so many great things. It's not about the fans, only the almighty dollar. Do you think Missouri fans prefer traveling halfway across the country to Georgia or Florida instead of Kansas or Iowa? Do you think Nebraska fans like playing Rutgers instead of Oklahoma? It's just a joke.
I know we can't return to those days, and it will always be just a distant memory, but boy I sure wish we could. The more we go down the current road the least interested I become. I'm sorry, I just can't get excited about ISU playing UConn or Temple in football. Even if they were decent teams, I just can't get excited about that in any way.
I am more excited to see Iowa State remain in a Big 12 Conference rather than the alternatives that Iowa State would get.
Greed is what has gotten everyone to where we are now. Unfortunately, it is greed that will decide the directions that all Conferences will go.
Missouri, Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M are not coming back. They have divorced us. We must now move on and go forward.
Bottom line is that we are looking into the possibility of getting a Big 12 Network and we have a window of opportunity to achieve that. Oklahoma wants expansion. And Texas knows that Oklahoma must stay in the Big 12 or Texas will no longer be the center and focal point of any conference that it would eventually move to.
Those two schools, Texas and Oklahoma, determine everything. The only reason the rest of the schools exist is to provide teams for those two teams to play. That is it. Iowa State is merely along for the ride. And we only have a seat at the table because we have always had a seat at the table. If there were new invitations going out, Iowa State would not get one. We have a great fan base. We now have some great facilities. But we have no household name and no TV sets. Nobody gets excited at all about Iowa State and who we are playing except for Iowa State fans. And how excited will you be when we are a member of the AAC or the MAC?
The Big 12 will expand because Oklahoma and Texas want it. We will expand to the East. Because the TV networks want it that way. It is better for Iowa State if the conference expands. No doubt about it.
I understand all of this, and why it hasn't gotten to this point. Doesn't mean I have to like it or think it's a good thing.
But yes, I would rather be in the Big 12 than not be, that's a no brainer. But it doesn't make it a better "product" IMO. Playing UConn or Temple doesn't do anything for me, but if that's what we have to do to survive, so be it. Personally, IMO, playing Nebraska or Missouri is a MUCH, MUCH better "product" to watch by any measure imaginable. But it's not about what is in the best interest of the fans any more. Hasn't been for a very long time unfortunately. It's the sad truth.
Who cares about product, it's about eyeballs and money so we need to expand. It's like going to Wal mart you buy a ****** product most of the time, but still go back. Expansion with certain teams is similar ****** product, but u still buy cable packages and watch cause your team is playing. So ****** product still equals cash flow.
Yes it is sad. Truth is that Nebraska and Missouri divorced us.......for monetary reasons and also Ego. That is the reality. Nebraska was screwing us all the time by refusing to share revenue equally. And then go to the Big Ten and give the excuse that they did it BECAUSE of revenue sharing.
Bottom line is that if you are given a choice......does playing UCONN excite you more or playing Buffalo or Ball State? Perhaps the idea of playing Middle Tennessee or Old Dominion? Probably the best spot Iowa State might land if left out of the Big 12 would be the All American Conference.......and the games that excite you the least would probably be some of the better ones on the slate.
I don't know how many times I need to say that I understand it's in our best interests to go the direction we're going. We don't have a choice.
It doesn't make it good or "better" in any way shape or form.
We have not had a choice in any of this for a long, long, long time. We really had no voice in the Big 8 Conference. Nebraska and Oklahoma pretty much decided things. And that is why Nebraska got so butt hurt in the Big 12. Texas had more power than Nebraska did.
Nebraska started the whole instability thing when they bolted for the Big Ten. When the Big 12 looked like it would implode, then of course we would have taken an offer because it was looking like we would be left out of a Power 5 Conference completely. That is why Colorado bolted for the Pac 12 Conference. They were afraid of being left out. In hindsight I bet they wish they had stayed.
Up until Colorado and Nebraska bolted, Big 12 was fairly stable. I don't think anyone anticipated the raiding that took place in conference expansion.
That was the Big 12's (i.e. Texas) fault for driving them out. For example, taking one of the best rivalries in the country (maybe the best), OU vs. Neb, and changing it to playing just every other year. Ridiculous. It was the conference's marquee game. We would have left too.
First of all yes I did compare Temple with UConn...dude...it can be done with any two schools really. Do you really think the conference cares one bit about whether or not the next school makes the basketball in the Big 12 better? We are the best conference in the country as it is.
The B1G took Rutgers and gets small numbers in the NYC market on game days...Imagine that...Like I said before, I don't like either as an option, but to look past a school like Rutgers is idiotic when looking at programs in the NE.
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Nebraska was butt hurt because they were beaten by Texas in the Conference Title game.
Nebraska argued for uneven revenue distribution the entire time they were in the Big 12. And then bolt for the Big Ten and cite one of the reasons for going was equal revenue distribution.
Wonder how Nebraska likes it now where they hardly play any other teams in the other division.
Nebraska now languishes in the land of mediocrity. Hope they enjoy where they are. As time passes on, the memories of being a football power fade more and more.
