TCU postgame thread

CTTB78

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There is noone left on the schedule we can't beat. Go 9-3 and we are all feeling pretty good.

Love the optimism, but I'm surprised to still see anyone thinking this is a 9 win team. Preseason, I thought 7 wins was possible. With KK and maybe DM hurt, I'm optimistic we'll now go 6-6.
 

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Everyone wants to bag on Noland, but our receivers are horrible at creating separation and getting open. I'm not saying Noland is better then what's being portrayed here, but he's not the only one to blame.

There were plenty of times the receivers had more than enough separation. The main issue is that separation goes away instantly when they are having to go down or back for the ball. Zeb struggled at leading receivers. It doesn’t take hardly any separation when they don’t have to break stride.

When Butler is targeted 9-10 times and can only bring in 2 of them that is a QB issue.
 

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No offense...Incarnate Word will cover the spread...take the under the rest of the year.
 

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JFC, I'm just as disappointed in the lack of wins this year as the next guy but most of these posts are just naive. In 3 years MC has turned us from laughing stock and bottom of the league finishers to going toe to toe with perennial league leaders. In the last 2 years we are batting .500 against the teams that played in the championship last year and in the games we lost are for a combined 13 pts. People lack perspective.
 

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I listened to the game on the radio. We have a MAC head coach who hired a MAC OL coach to be our OC because he doesn't trust outsiders. Now we have have no OC in the highest scoring conference in the country, expecting our defense to somehow make up for the loss of 14 points per game offensively. Our offense is now ranked 114 in yards/game and 120 in points/game. Being a Big 12 OC is not a part time job.
 

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That was probably the second best defensive lines we will see this season behind Iowa, the OL is leaps and bounds better than what they were against Iowa.
TCU is a better defense, but we weren’t at the preparation disadvantage in this one.
 

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I listened to the game on the radio. We have a MAC head coach who hired a MAC OL coach to be our OC because he doesn't trust outsiders. Now we have have no OC in the highest scoring conference in the country, expecting our defense to somehow make up for the loss of 14 points per game offensively. Our offense is now ranked 114 in yards/game and 120 in points/game. Being a Big 12 OC is not a part time job.

Stop. Just stop. You do not get to blame the coaching staff for lack of offense yet pretend the defense is good in spite of them. If you honestly have a problem with these coaches I would bet my house you know nothing about football.
 

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Offensive line probably played its best game all season, they are actually starting to gel a little bit. This loss comes down to quarterback play and and a inept offensive philosophy. Running 5 yard screens on 3 and 8 isn’t going to win games. I had to question whether Greg Davis was in the booth. I think Matt has the the potential to be one of the best to ever coach here, hopefully he isn’t falling into the Paul Rhonda trap with offensive schemes that don’t allow for wins, but defenses that will keep you in every game. You have to score 27-31 points in the Big 12 no matter how good the defense is, this isn’t ground and pound like the Big 10.

Paul Rhoads trap was that he and his staff couldn't recruit in the last half of his tenure.
 

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JFC, I'm just as disappointed in the lack of wins this year as the next guy but most of these posts are just naive. In 3 years MC has turned us from laughing stock and bottom of the league finishers to going toe to toe with perennial league leaders. In the last 2 years we are batting .500 against the teams that played in the championship last year and in the games we lost are for a combined 13 pts. People lack perspective.
Well said.
 

ArgentCy

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Everyone wants to bag on Noland, but our receivers are horrible at creating separation and getting open. I'm not saying Noland is better then what's being portrayed here, but he's not the only one to blame.

That comes from the scheme 9 times out of 10. Unless we had Tyrek Hill just running fly routes.
 

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I listened to the game on the radio. We have a MAC head coach who hired a MAC OL coach to be our OC because he doesn't trust outsiders. Now we have have no OC in the highest scoring conference in the country, expecting our defense to somehow make up for the loss of 14 points per game offensively. Our offense is now ranked 114 in yards/game and 120 in points/game. Being a Big 12 OC is not a part time job.

Mark Mangino is available. Chris Klenakis also, I think.
 

FarminCy

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I listened to the game on the radio. We have a MAC head coach who hired a MAC OL coach to be our OC because he doesn't trust outsiders. Now we have have no OC in the highest scoring conference in the country, expecting our defense to somehow make up for the loss of 14 points per game offensively. Our offense is now ranked 114 in yards/game and 120 in points/game. Being a Big 12 OC is not a part time job.

CMC is a good coach. I have no issues with him keeping his circle of coaches close. Not having an OC is an issue but his group of guys have been good coaches. Trying to downplay them because they came from the MAC is just stupid. The MAC has cranked out quite a good number of great football minds. Let’s also not forget that in the not so distant past MAC coaches were coaching circles around our Big 12 staff that included a guy that was once Big 12 COY.
 

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The OL has been a sieve, so whatever blame there is for the offense looking bad overall should mostly be put with that group. That said, our receivers have been getting open and even when the QBs have time they can't get the ball close. Not much a play caller can do with that.

It is maddening watching this defense be wasted week after week.
 
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I'm not going to sit here and pretend our defense is perfect. Yes, it is very good. But essentially, it is just a good-great version of Wally's bend-but-don't-break scheme. Too many 3rd down conversions. All TCU had to do all night was take what we were giving them, which was usually 6-7 yards whenever they wanted/needed it. You can blame the offense for not extending their drives and forcing the D to play too many snaps, but reality is, the D had several of their own chances to get off the field, and in could not do it. 11 3rd down conversions allowed. That isn't getting the job done. Under 300 yards and under 20 points is fine, but let's not pretend the defense is perfect.

I want to be a Zeb-believer, I really do. He had that 20+ yard scramble and didn't look bad doing it (nice block by Keem). My question is why doesn't he do that more often? Clearly not his "strength" but he looked natural enough doing it. Sam Richardson would have been been impressed. If Zeb did that even a couple, maybe 3 times a game, it would keep defenses honest and maybe open up holes in coverage a little more.
 

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Can't disagree but the conversions and flat out whiffs are still bothersome.
This is true but that is to be expected against a team like TCU with elite speed. Gotta tighten things up on first down and it will get easier down the road. Of course if the offense can generate some points and keep the damn ball!!!! Time of possession margin was embarrassing.
 

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Playing QB's with "escapability" has to go down from this point.
 

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We are absolutely lucky to be within 3 points. One touchdownon on extremely short field due to a turnover. Or offense is completely inept. Noland's run was the most shocking moment of the game. Our offense doesn't work when the qb refuses to ever keep the ball and run it. There HAS to be at least the threat the qb might run. One pass attempt over 20 yards. We look like Eastern Iowa with Nate Chandler and Ken O'Keefe. I gained respect for JGJ. Didn't want to leave even while pulling up a lung. Get an OC already.
That team finished #8 in the country and destroyed Florida in their bowl game. You’re right. That’s a great comparison.
 
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I'm not going to sit here and pretend our defense is perfect. Yes, it is very good. But essentially, it is just a good-great version of Wally's bend-but-don't-break scheme. Too many 3rd down conversions. All TCU had to do all night was take what we were giving them, which was usually 6-7 yards whenever they wanted/needed it. You can blame the offense for not extending their drives and forcing the D to play too many snaps, but reality is, the D had several of their own chances to get off the field, and in could not do it. 11 3rd down conversions allowed. That isn't getting the job done. Under 300 yards and under 20 points is fine, but let's not pretend the defense is perfect.

That defensive effort last night was a thing of beauty and was fun to watch. At least two third and short stuffs to force punts and two takeaways. The depth is being developed and deployed across the field. Our guys look the part and play like it too. So much fun to watch that second team front come in and hold up against top half Big XII talent. Sure tacklers all over the place like Eisworth, Lewis, Rose etc. This is way better than Burnham defenses (nothing against Wally, he didn't have the horses we have now).

All of which makes the offensive struggles so damn frustrating. This team doesn't even have to score 30 to get 8-9 wins. Finish two more drives per game and this team is 3-1 right now riding on the backs of an amazing defense that is still improving.
 
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Lots of stupid in one thread. First, people bitched when they didn’t like rhoads staff. So it was obvious that we needed to bring in a guy with his own staff. That guy was always going to be from a small conference. Did some of you think we’d poach Clemson’s staff? Second, complaints about the defense? Saying that it is just a better version of Wally’s defense as a bad thing? All defenses are bend but don’t break and when you only bend and give up 10 points that’s a good performance. Period. Third, the OC. Newsflash, he’s not going to hire one unless someone leaves the staff. He has all spots filled. Pick a guy for him to fire and then we can talk.