At that point of the recruiting calendar you aren't filling those shoes. IMO you are oversimplifying things.
Just a brief summary of Prohm's talent v results
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At that point of the recruiting calendar you aren't filling those shoes. IMO you are oversimplifying things.
Interesting write up, thanks! What I always remember is how it seems that Prohm is always working uphill. Whether it is through factors he can affect or just unfortunate breaks he and his teams have gotten. Just to go through a run down, Steve inherited a good team in here first year (overrated imo, but still a good team). Then Naz goes down for the year in the non conference. Which left the bench to be Hallice Cooke and Jordan Ashton. Halfway through they got Burton. End of the year they make it to sweet 16 and lose to a 1 seed Virginia. Good year with just a little bit of hiccups.
Year 2 Is loaded with seniors plus bringing in Jackson and NWB, but no true big man. Cue Bowie and Holden. Bowie was serviceable but Holden outside of the OU game in Norman was pretty meh. Prohm brought in Solo but early in season or pre season he breaks a bone in his hand which hinders his playing time and misses 5 games. Once Solo gets back he turns around the season. End up losing to a Purdue team that was an absolute nightmare matchup for us. (Also conspiracy: I think the comittee wanted us to play Purdue badly the year before but they lost in the first round so they did a "rematch"). I do also believe this was the year Malou did not qualify/went to the nba draft.
Year 3 is supposed to be the rebuilding year after SEVEN seniors leave. Things are very rocky with losses to Mizzou and Milwaukee, but there is hope as NWB takes over the pg position with Wigs and DJ at shooting guards. This proves to be a recipe for this team as some optimism is found. Things aren't looking too bad as we compete against in most games in the conference. Then NWB starts to have knee issues, he loses a step on defense and just looks uncomfortable playing. Then DJ's father passes. Then Solo gets shut down for the season. End limping to the finish line with 4 B12 wins, 3 of which were ranked (weird fact I saw when looking at the season stats).
Year 4 is bringing in the "best" recruiting class in ISU history. Solo quickly gets shut down for the season. Wigs breaks his foot early in the non-conference. Prohm suspends Zoran and Lard. Going into Maui we only have 8 scholarship players, 4 of which are freshman. Along this way a lowly recruited pg starts to really shine, Tyrese. But wait. When Wigs is healed up, Prohm is now stuck in the impossible position of trying to figure out if he should start Wigs again or not. Personally I would've started Wigs again as I think I would've been better in the long run. Conference gets off to a blazing start, then we fizzle. Chemistry issues start to arise, and Shayok ends up breaking his toe, and isn't quite right the rest of the season. We win the conference tourny but lose to a terrible mis ranked team in Ohio State.
Year 5 is just an absolute question mark coming in. Hali is a projected lottery pick, but what else do we have? A high volume combo guard from Penn State that scored really well but wasn't recruited highly on the transfer market (I wonder if most schools were afraid of some of the baggage that Rasir could've had). Non-conference is almost done and we look okay, good showing in Atlantis, and against SH again, but bad showing against Iowa. Then on New years eve, (this was just an indicator of what 2020 was going to be like) the infamous game against Florida A&M is played. Tyrese is out with a wrist injury, but without him the team just looks absolutely lost. Well maybe besides Bolton that is. Conference play gets off with the TCU game in Ft. Worth, sad fact I was in attendance for that one. Then an up and down stretch with wins against OU and OSU. In that OSU game Tre Jackson breaks his nose and misses time. Then in the KSU game weeks later Tyrese goes down hard, breaks his wrist and is done for the year. After a valiant showing on senior night, we learn that Rasir suffered a concussion and will miss time (rest of season). We lose embarrassingly to K-State where Nate jenkins played 11 minutes and then blow it against Okie State. After the season we learn Grill played with a broken wrist that got missed by the medical staff.
Year 6 is where we lie now. A promising group of freshmen come in. COVID prevents the team from playing together for a while. Hinson announces a medical leave and won't play this season. Foster misses time in practice, and right before the first game, Tre is announced to be out for weeks. I am also pretty sure more people have missed practice, but I am not sure who.
I am not making any excuses for Coach, rather just putting into context what has happened in his tenure. Some fans don't want coach here anymore, some are indifferent, but one thing I think is certain. Since year 1 Prohm has been fighting nature to be successful here.
Year 2 Is loaded with seniors plus bringing in Jackson and NWB, but no true big man. Cue Bowie and Holden. Bowie was serviceable but Holden outside of the OU game in Norman was pretty meh. Prohm brought in Solo but early in season or pre season he breaks a bone in his hand which hinders his playing time and misses 5 games. Once Solo gets back he turns around the season. End up losing to a Purdue team that was an absolute nightmare matchup for us. (Also conspiracy: I think the comittee wanted us to play Purdue badly the year before but they lost in the first round so they did a "rematch"). I do also believe this was the year Malou did not qualify/went to the nba draft.
Year 3 is supposed to be the rebuilding year after SEVEN seniors leave. Things are very rocky with losses to Mizzou and Milwaukee, but there is hope as NWB takes over the pg position with Wigs and DJ at shooting guards. This proves to be a recipe for this team as some optimism is found. Things aren't looking too bad as we compete against in most games in the conference. Then NWB starts to have knee issues, he loses a step on defense and just looks uncomfortable playing. Then DJ's father passes. Then Solo gets shut down for the season. End limping to the finish line with 4 B12 wins, 3 of which were ranked (weird fact I saw when looking at the season stats).
Year 4 is bringing in the "best" recruiting class in ISU history. Solo quickly gets shut down for the season. Wigs breaks his foot early in the non-conference. Prohm suspends Zoran and Lard. Going into Maui we only have 8 scholarship players, 4 of which are freshman. Along this way a lowly recruited pg starts to really shine, Tyrese. But wait. When Wigs is healed up, Prohm is now stuck in the impossible position of trying to figure out if he should start Wigs again or not. Personally I would've started Wigs again as I think I would've been better in the long run. Conference gets off to a blazing start, then we fizzle. Chemistry issues start to arise, and Shayok ends up breaking his toe, and isn't quite right the rest of the season. We win the conference tourny but lose to a terrible mis ranked team in Ohio State.
Year 5 is just an absolute question mark coming in. Hali is a projected lottery pick, but what else do we have? A high volume combo guard from Penn State that scored really well but wasn't recruited highly on the transfer market (I wonder if most schools were afraid of some of the baggage that Rasir could've had). Non-conference is almost done and we look okay, good showing in Atlantis, and against SH again, but bad showing against Iowa. Then on New years eve, (this was just an indicator of what 2020 was going to be like) the infamous game against Florida A&M is played. Tyrese is out with a wrist injury, but without him the team just looks absolutely lost. Well maybe besides Bolton that is. Conference play gets off with the TCU game in Ft. Worth, sad fact I was in attendance for that one. Then an up and down stretch with wins against OU and OSU. In that OSU game Tre Jackson breaks his nose and misses time. Then in the KSU game weeks later Tyrese goes down hard, breaks his wrist and is done for the year. After a valiant showing on senior night, we learn that Rasir suffered a concussion and will miss time (rest of season). We lose embarrassingly to K-State where Nate jenkins played 11 minutes and then blow it against Okie State. After the season we learn Grill played with a broken wrist that got missed by the medical staff.
Year 6 is where we lie now. A promising group of freshmen come in. COVID prevents the team from playing together for a while. Hinson announces a medical leave and won't play this season. Foster misses time in practice, and right before the first game, Tre is announced to be out for weeks. I am also pretty sure more people have missed practice, but I am not sure who.
I am not making any excuses for Coach, rather just putting into context what has happened in his tenure. Some fans don't want coach here anymore, some are indifferent, but one thing I think is certain. Since year 1 Prohm has been fighting nature to be successful here.
So that's a better track record than HS recruiting I'd say. Also I'd say Lard was a double since he was really good, then really not so good.
When you say he has equaled Fred’s results what are we talking about? On the high end he has taken his 1st team and made the Sweet 16. He has equaled the 2 Big 12 Tournament titles of Fred. We had an excellent year 2 but we have also had 9th and 10th place finishes. Overall I’m not sure how you can equate to going to 4 NCAA tournaments in a row versus what has happened in 2 of the last 3 years.
I think Nixon would be a sac fly.
Prohm took over a top 10 team in year one. His record should be better, no?
Nixon was a Safe at 1st due to E6.
CycloneErik
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Is there a defensive indifference option to get him to first?
I don't know if we're actually seeing this differently or not. Prohm claims when he waxes after each game that the O got bogged down when they failed to move the ball inside and back out, around the perimeter... blah blah... regardless of what he/we call it, he wants a ball-dominant guard to create and make things happen, with the help of screens... maybe the screens are what your "player movement" is. Anyway - not a bone to pick w/ you but Prohm - it's not working, and watching guys stand around and not move the ball, not dribbling into seams to create, etc. is neither enjoyable nor successful. What a shock it would be to see a few off-ball screens and movement other than the guy with the ball and the guy screening.
Maybe be a win or two. That team was pretty overrated and not build for much success imo. Having no real wing or big man off the bench is a really problem. Plus when your best guard off the bench is Hallice Cooke, yikes. Now Burton came in later, but he was no where near as good as he was when he was a senior. You have serious problems when your playing most games with just a 6 man bench
CycloneErik
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Hey, now. Sure, most of our sets involve standing still, but we have the one where 3 guys stay outside the arc and two guys move to a spot a few feet out from the middle of the free throw lane.
The guys that we have making that motion are never guys that could score from there, but we have that bit of motion.
ALWAYS been a players coach.......
To buddy- buddy with them.......
NO command of team.....
Looks like a bad intramural game
To buddy- buddy with them.......
NO command of team.....
Looks like a bad intramural game
GMac used to have a lot of bad luck too
Perspective indeed. We all want success with the BB program. I am good with trying not to be too negative. Sometimes that is hard. Hopefully we can continue to support our boys this season!
Go Cyclones!
We went 32-5 with primarily a 7 man rotation in 2000. You had pros in Morris, Niang, Nader, Thomas and Burton on that squad. Not to mention Naz to start and McKay who was defensive player of the year as a Jr. You have two of the 10 best players to ever put on a Cyclone uniform on that team but yet “it wasn’t built for much success”. GTFOH.
More perspective. Bill Self is a cheater! Haha. Thanks for that surly!!
Like I said it was my opinion. I apologize for giving it. No need to dismiss opinions nor spit profanities we are all on the same team. Jameel may have been the DPOY but he always had foul problems so a no back up big man is an issue. I still think that team was around a top 15 team. Just thought they were overrated going into the season. And coming into the season Nader, Thomas, and Burton were not expected to be pros. Especially the first two. And with the 2000 team I don't quite remember the rotation but looking at the stats it seems like it was around a 7-9 man rotation, so you be right!
Yep. Those of us who have been around here long enough remember the exact same excuses being used for GMac that we now see for Prohm. And the exact same kind of woe is us "we'll never get anyone better, iowa state can never expect better than garbage" responses.
The homeruns leaving early hurts us much less than the whiffs. Don't even need those guys to be studs, just develop into being good at SOMETHING, i.e. lock down defender, rebounder, shooter. Grill had promise. Conditt has potential but doesn't seem to be developing into the elite defender we had hoped.
