When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[Urbandale2013]

Because Toyota, a brand that killed it with hybrids, has been a complete failure when it comes to EV's. Here is an interesting read:

How the World’s Most Valuable Carmaker Fell Perilously Behind on Electric Vehicles

The company went from green pioneer to being uttered in the same breath as Exxon.

slate.com

They've been talking about SSB's for awhile now. This was the brief moment when they weren't talking aobut hydrogen being the only option.

Toyota Announces 4-layer All-solid-state Battery

Toyota Motor Corp unveiled a prototype of its all-solid-state battery in Japan. It is a laminated cell measuring about 10 x 10cm. Four s...

www.electric-vehiclenews.com

Oh here they are in 2017 promising 2022

Toyota plans to use solid-state batteries to enable longer-range EVs with fast-charging

We reported on how Toyota is late to the electric car revolution just yesterday. While the Japanese automaker doesn’t seem...

electrek.co

Toyota wants their customers to wait for the next big thing. They know they are going to lose market share, they know they are late to the game, and this is their only hope from being pushed out as the largest automaker. At this point, they are making Ford and GM look progressive.

Toyota has been about as on the mark in regard to EVs as anyone IMO. I say that as someone who wants to move on to an EV but recognizes we just aren’t there yet. The focus right now needs to be on Hybrids and PHEVs. BEVs are the future but just not there yet. The American manufacturers IMO are jumping too fast into full on BEVs. They are not there yet for many people and are going to hurt the transition by poor performance in the meantime. We should be phasing out full gas cars in the next couple of years and transition to PHEVs only soon after. To get full on BEVs is quite a bit out still IMO for full adoption. Closer to 10 years.

 

[beentherebefore]

I have commented in this thread before, but I continue to think on this question.

Average Americans did not buy automobiles until they made sense in their lives purposefully and financially. I generally believe that is how I feel about EVs.

We do not know right now if the EV technology as it stands is the one that wins out (think Betamax...think VHS....think audio 8-track tapes, etc). Technology moves so fast right now, so are the currently available EVs for everyone? I'd say NO.

People will want to be able to fully charge their cars in the same amount of time that it takes to fill a gas tank. Charging is faster than it was, but I am not getting 400 miles of charge in five minutes like I get a full tank of gas.

Gas stations are basically everywhere. There have to be CONVENIENT (and constantly working) charging stations everywhere. That does not exist, and maybe it never will since that technology may be replaced with auto-charging highways or something like that in the future.

People who truly think they are playing their part in alleviating climate change by purchasing and driving an EV, then more power to them. But for me and so many American drivers, there are still too many costs and hassles and uncertainties to deal with.

My wife likes SUVs that have exceptional towing power, not so sure that any EV currently can replace the vehicles we currently feel that we need to have.

 

[dmclone]

Gas stations are basically everywhere. There have to be CONVENIENT (and constantly working) charging stations everywhere. That does not exist, and maybe it never will since that technology may be replaced with auto-charging highways or something like that in the future.

remember when we used to have to go to gas station, waste 5 minutes pumping our gas and pay ＄3-＄4/gallon? My wife pulls into the garage and spends around 10 seconds plugging in her car.
I agree, for some people it doesn't yet make sense. Although I have a 3 row suv that in nearly 3 years has never had anyone in the third row, never towed anything, never needed AWD, etc. So consumers in general don't always make the wisest decisions.

 

[beentherebefore]

remember when we used to have to go to gas station, waste 5 minutes pumping our gas and pay ＄3-＄4/gallon? My wife pulls into the garage and spends around 10 seconds plugging in her car.

Right!

But that is at home. What if one can't do that? A commute around town vehicle probably could be an EV. Americans (and me, sadly) don't always plan well.

 

[dmclone]

Right!

But that is at home. What if one can't do that? A commute around town vehicle probably could be an EV. Americans (and me, sadly) don't always plan well.

As mentioned before, how often do you drive over 250 miles in one day? For me, that happens about 6-8 days a year. So 2% of the days in a year. If you're a traveling salesperson, you're probably correct at this point.

 

[RedlineSi]

I have commented in this thread before, but I continue to think on this question.

Average Americans did not buy automobiles until they made sense in their lives purposefully and financially. I generally believe that is how I feel about EVs.

We do not know right now if the EV technology as it stands is the one that wins out (think Betamax...think VHS....think audio 8-track tapes, etc). Technology moves so fast right now, so are the currently available EVs for everyone? I'd say NO.

People will want to be able to fully charge their cars in the same amount of time that it takes to fill a gas tank. Charging is faster than it was, but I am not getting 400 miles of charge in five minutes like I get a full tank of gas.

Gas stations are basically everywhere. There have to be CONVENIENT (and constantly working) charging stations everywhere. That does not exist, and maybe it never will since that technology may be replaced with auto-charging highways or something like that in the future.

People who truly think they are playing their part in alleviating climate change by purchasing and driving an EV, then more power to them. But for me and so many American drivers, there are still too many costs and hassles and uncertainties to deal with.

My wife likes SUVs that have exceptional towing power, not so sure that any EV currently can replace the vehicles we currently feel that we need to have.

What SUV do you currently have with exceptional towing power?

 

[RedlineSi]

Right!

But that is at home. What if one can't do that? A commute around town vehicle probably could be an EV. Americans (and me, sadly) don't always plan well.

Once you go EV, you'll never go back.

My best advice if you're a two car home, keep one gas/hybrid/phev, and go with a full EV as well.

Having a fully charged car ready to go each morning is light years better than stopping at the local gas station.

 

[SCNCY]

Once you go EV, you'll never go back.

My best advice if you're a two car home, keep one gas/hybrid/phev, and go with a full EV as well.

Having a fully charged car ready to go each morning is light years better than stopping at the local gas station.

This is where my wife and I pretty much landed. Were going to buy a hybrid in the next week or so, while keeping our current 2010 Acura until it falls apart. Going hybrid because of my 55 mile one way commute and my current employer not having charging stations at our office. Was thinking going with a plug in hybrid, but I'd only be able to use it for about a quarter of my round trip, plus the MPG isn't as great as a pure hybrid.

Hopefully there will be more options available as well as more reasonable prices in the future for all electric vehicles. Additionally, it'd be nice to get our dethatched garage with a level 3 or higher charging capability to support the car.

 

[herbicide]

remember when we used to have to go to gas station, waste 5 minutes pumping our gas and pay ＄3-＄4/gallon? My wife pulls into the garage and spends around 10 seconds plugging in her car.
I agree, for some people it doesn't yet make sense. Although I have a 3 row suv that in nearly 3 years has never had anyone in the third row, never towed anything, never needed AWD, etc. So consumers in general don't always make the wisest decisions.

The note about the 3rd row is probably a very accurate comparison to a BEV in my book. Most people would probably use it a handful at most times per year. Most...

It also hits personally for me as I had to dissuade/convince my better half that the extra bulk and cost of a 3rd row would not offset its use maybe(!) 1-2 times a year.

 

[MeowingCows]

Toyota has been about as on the mark in regard to EVs as anyone IMO. I say that as someone who wants to move on to an EV but recognizes we just aren’t there yet. The focus right now needs to be on Hybrids and PHEVs. BEVs are the future but just not there yet. The American manufacturers IMO are jumping too fast into full on BEVs. They are not there yet for many people and are going to hurt the transition by poor performance in the meantime. We should be phasing out full gas cars in the next couple of years and transition to PHEVs only soon after. To get full on BEVs is quite a bit out still IMO for full adoption. Closer to 10 years.

I've said for a long time now that it's dumb how we never bothered to develop tradition hybrids into other applications, and/or waited this long to develop more into PHEVs. Had we given this some thought a decade ago, we would all have hybrids by now saving tons of money on gas, outside of a few niche cases.

 

[simply1]

This Chevy Blazer EV looks pretty nice. I believe it's what Honda is going to use for their first SUV EV.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-blazer-ev-2024-suv-of-the-year/

One thing I do hate is that like Tesla, no Carplay/Android Auto. I don't trust GM's infotainment. On the other hand, I have heard a lot of great things about SuperCruise

I think that died though

GM, Honda scrap plans to co-develop 'affordable' sub-$30,000 EVs

The cancellation by GM and Honda is the latest in a growing number of decisions by automakers to scale back or scrap previously announced EV plans.

www.cnbc.com

 

[0u812]

Is this like the Mitch Hedberg joke? They used to make reliable cars, they still do but they used to, too.

Probably were more reliable back in the late 90s early 2000s. Before the world became obsessed with infotainment, over the top safety notifications, adaptive cruise, auto pilot and all that.

 

[mramseyISU]

More Toyota comments on BEVs.
TLDR version Hybrids are good and sell like crazy, BEVs are bad and people don't want them.

Toyota's Chairman Is Having His 'I Told You So' Moment About EVs - Jalopnik

Akio Toyoda, chairman of the world’s largest automaker, Toyota, took a stubborn stance on EVs. While other automakers have been pouring billions into developing EVs, Toyota was still betting on hybrids and PHEVs while selling just one EV in the bZ4X. After a relatively hot last couple of years...

jalopnik.com

 

[BCClone]

The batteries will likely last way longer than the actual vehicle.

Aren’t they on the bottom of the car? In Iowa (and MN) with the salt usage, that does t sound like a good combination.

 

[dmclone]

More Toyota comments on BEVs.
TLDR version Hybrids are good and sell like crazy, BEVs are bad and people don't want them.

Toyota's Chairman Is Having His 'I Told You So' Moment About EVs - Jalopnik

Akio Toyoda, chairman of the world’s largest automaker, Toyota, took a stubborn stance on EVs. While other automakers have been pouring billions into developing EVs, Toyota was still betting on hybrids and PHEVs while selling just one EV in the bZ4X. After a relatively hot last couple of years...

jalopnik.com

 

[cycloneG]

Aren’t they on the bottom of the car? In Iowa (and MN) with the salt usage, that does t sound like a good combination.

Interesting study came out recently about batter longevity in colder climates

Colder climate is better for battery health, study on Tesla Model Y shows

There are ways to keep your battery safe in hot weather conditions, though.

www.arenaev.com

 

[mramseyISU]

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https://www.axios.com/2023/07/10/unsold-electric-cars-are-piling-up-on-dealer-lots

From the article:

• EV sales, which account for about 6.5% of the U.S. auto market so far this year, are expected to surpass 1 million units for the first time in 2023, Cox forecasts.
• A Cox survey found that 51% of consumers are now considering either a new or used EV, up from 38% in 2021.

Yes, but: Sales aren't keeping up with that increased output.

Details: The nationwide supply of EVs in stock has swelled nearly 350% this year, to more than 92,000 units.

• That's a 92-day supply — roughly three months' worth of EVs, and nearly twice the industry average.
• For comparison, dealers have a relatively low 54 days' worth of gasoline-powered vehicles in inventory as they rebound from pandemic-related supply chain interruptions.

 

[cycloneG]

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/10/unsold-electric-cars-are-piling-up-on-dealer-lots

From the article:

There should be some sweet deals on EVs any day now!

 

[mramseyISU]

There should be some sweet deals on EVs any day now!

I think you're starting to see that. Tesla prices keep coming down and Ford just cut pricing on the Lightning. It's not enough but it's getting better.

 

[dmclone]

Aren’t they on the bottom of the car? In Iowa (and MN) with the salt usage, that does t sound like a good combination.

With Toyota's history with rust(frame issue), I assume they'll figure this out.