NOTEBOOK: On Jaylin Noel’s near TD on a kick return that was called back and more from ISU’s 28-21 loss to Kansas

[CYDJ]

I have an honest question. If a defender gets past an o-linrman and is making progress toward the ball holder/carrier, are they allowed to grasp or drive the person to the ground by placing both hands on the defender and pushing their lower back or shoulder pads?

I really thought this was holding, but it happens so often, maybe I really don't understand the nuance of the rule or heck, maybe the rule itself. Maybe this is another infraction? Please comment if you know the rule.

 

[Clonefan32]

This is so dumb, I have to say it again.

Again, it's a horrible call. But it's such a loser mentality to always blame the refs. I'm just over it. The defense couldn't defend the pass and the offense took a 1/2 to decide they want to play. **** calls happen every game. Suck it up and play better.

 

[jsb]

Again, it's a horrible call. But it's such a loser mentality to always blame the refs. I'm just over it. The defense couldn't defend the pass and the offense took a 1/2 to decide they want to play. **** calls happen every game. Suck it up and play better.

Again, is anyone blaming the refs for the loss? Discussing an obvious blown call that did not follow protocols is not saying we lost because of that call.

I see countless posts about the terrible coaching.

 

[Clonefan32]

The true incompetence of that officiating crew was demonstrated by the incomplete pass being called a fumble and the review

Now this I can agree on. I can see how maybe your eyes tricked you and you thought you saw him step out on the punt. A horrible call, but whatever--refs are human.

But calling a fumble on a ball that literally hit the hands of a receiver 15 yards downfield is one of the all time worst calls I've ever seen, and as someone mentioned on Twitter it's amazing to think back of the pre-review days where something like that would have stood.

 

[cytor]

This call was flat out bad. You can argue it was game changing. Think about it.... If they call it correctly ISU almost guaranteed to score. If they score, it changes the way both teams play for the rest of the game. There are no guarantees when the ball is placed 30 yards away... but 1 yard out is a difference maker.

 

[Ozfam]

I agree with both sides of the view of the game. We did not execute our offense and or defensive plans many times during the game. Right after we scored to come within 3, we simply cannot give up a one play TD pass right after that. Those are back breakers just like the obvious bad call by the refs, AGAIN, on the kick return. I will say that there should be some changes to the rules on what is allowed to be reviewed. These subjective decisions that refs make in games can be very costly to teams. Coaches and players are held to higher standards, what about officials. I start to question the integrity of the game anymore. If they are concerned about more delays in games due to reviews of official calls, then let’s cut out a few of the d?!;m TV timeouts. On the coaching end, can we figure out how to teach our coaching staff on clock management. That 4th quarter was bad. Do we not have any sense of urgency. There were many times that we used most of the play clock between plays. The coaches should have the next play ready immediately

 

[VeloClone]

I agree with both sides of the view of the game. We did not execute our offense and or defensive plans many times during the game. Right after we scored to come within 3, we simply cannot give up a one play TD pass right after that. Those are back breakers just like the obvious bad call by the refs, AGAIN, on the kick return. I will say that there should be some changes to the rules on what is allowed to be reviewed. These subjective decisions that refs make in games can be very costly to teams. Coaches and players are held to higher standards, what about officials. I start to question the integrity of the game anymore. If they are concerned about more delays in games due to reviews of official calls, then let’s cut out a few of the d?!;m TV timeouts. On the coaching end, can we figure out how to teach our coaching staff on clock management. That 4th quarter was bad. Do we not have any sense of urgency. There were many times that we used most of the play clock between plays. The coaches should have the next play ready immediately

A whistle stopping play has to actually stop play. Players can get penalized for continuing action well after the whistle so for player safety it has to stop there. In fairness to the defense if there is a whistle you can't award the other team additional yardage when defenders who heard the whistle may have let up as they are supposed to.

If the official was screeened from actually seeing his foot step out he should have held his whistle and let it be ironed out in replay, but he didn't so the play has to stop when the whistle is blown.

 

[cycfan1]

I agree with both sides of the view of the game. We did not execute our offense and or defensive plans many times during the game. Right after we scored to come within 3, we simply cannot give up a one play TD pass right after that. Those are back breakers just like the obvious bad call by the refs, AGAIN, on the kick return. I will say that there should be some changes to the rules on what is allowed to be reviewed. These subjective decisions that refs make in games can be very costly to teams. Coaches and players are held to higher standards, what about officials. I start to question the integrity of the game anymore. If they are concerned about more delays in games due to reviews of official calls, then let’s cut out a few of the d?!;m TV timeouts. On the coaching end, can we figure out how to teach our coaching staff on clock management. That 4th quarter was bad. Do we not have any sense of urgency. There were many times that we used most of the play clock between plays. The coaches should have the next play ready immediately

How do you propose to review something that happens after the play is blown dead? You can't expect players to play after a whistle. Nothing review is going to fix here. A competent official would realize he can use replay if he doesn't blow it dead, if in question.

Much more upset with the Bacon fumble, as thought that was very clear on TV that ball was coming loose, and they didn't even look at it.

You could just tell from watching these refs were incompetent. When they got together to huddle up, no one was in charge - more/less guessing what they saw. Head ref was in way over his head.

 

[jsb]

Now this I can agree on. I can see how maybe your eyes tricked you and you thought you saw him step out on the punt. A horrible call, but whatever--refs are human.

But calling a fumble on a ball that literally hit the hands of a receiver 15 yards downfield is one of the all time worst calls I've ever seen, and as someone mentioned on Twitter it's amazing to think back of the pre-review days where something like that would have stood.

The problem I have with the kick return is that they are trained not to blow it dead if it’s close. So while he may have terrible eyesight he should not have blown his whistle. And he knew that.

 

[NoCreativity]

A horrible call, but whatever--refs are human.

This is what really eats at me. Yes they make mistakes, but that's the whole purpose for instant replay and the 5 different angles they usually have at games.

If you're not sure let it go and sort things out later. You absolutely cannot just blow this whistle because you thought you might have saw something. It's complete ineptness at your job.

That was later proven by the ridiculous fumble call on the field.

 

[jsb]

This is what really eats at me. Yes they make mistakes, but that's the whole purpose for instant replay and the 5 different angles they usually have at games.

If you're not sure let it go and sort things out later. You absolutely cannot just blow this whistle because you thought you might have saw something. It's complete ineptness at your job.

That was later proven by the ridiculous fumble call on the field.

That’s why they are trained to let those play out. How many times have we seen them look at video after a return like that? Hundreds. I bet it happens 3-4 times per week.

I don’t care if that idiot is so blind that he missed it the first time (although it wasn’t close). I care he called it dead and therefore they couldn’t look at it.

 

[Ozfam]

That’s why they are trained to let those play out. How many times have we seen them look at video after a return like that? Hundreds. I bet it happens 3-4 times per week.

I don’t care if that idiot is so blind that he missed it the first time (although it wasn’t close). I care he called it dead and therefore they couldn’t look at it.

 

[AuH2O]

That’s why they are trained to let those play out. How many times have we seen them look at video after a return like that? Hundreds. I bet it happens 3-4 times per week.

I don’t care if that idiot is so blind that he missed it the first time (although it wasn’t close). I care he called it dead and therefore they couldn’t look at it.

This is exactly the situation where you absolutely let it play out. Text book. If you are going to blow a play dead you damn sure better know what you're seeing. He didn't, and it turned a ball at the 2 into a punt in a one-score game.

Hell, letting it play out, then coming back and saying the call on the field was that he stepped out, it's under review is fine. They don't have to get the call on the field right, just let it play out.

This crew was in over their heads. That seemed pretty clear.

 

[AuH2O]

That’s why they are trained to let those play out. How many times have we seen them look at video after a return like that? Hundreds. I bet it happens 3-4 times per week.

I don’t care if that idiot is so blind that he missed it the first time (although it wasn’t close). I care he called it dead and therefore they couldn’t look at it.

I could see that from behind the play when the last guy comes in and hits his feet it would look like he was blocked from Noel's feet and couldn't see it, but it would seem that he prob. stepped out.

But the point is correct - if you don't see it, you don't blow it dead. If he stepped out, no big deal. The official did the one thing you can't do in that situation. That crew was incompetent.

 

[jsb]

I could see that from behind the play when the last guy comes in and hits his feet it would look like he was blocked from Noel's feet and couldn't see it, but it would seem that he prob. stepped out.

But the point is correct - if you don't see it, you don't blow it dead. If he stepped out, no big deal. The official did the one thing you can't do in that situation. That crew was incompetent.

Not only if you don’t see it, don’t blow it dead. It’s don’t blow it dead at all.

 

[madguy30]

A whistle stopping play has to actually stop play. Players can get penalized for continuing action well after the whistle so for player safety it has to stop there. In fairness to the defense if there is a whistle you can't award the other team additional yardage when defenders who heard the whistle may have let up as they are supposed to.

If the official was screeened from actually seeing his foot step out he should have held his whistle and let it be ironed out in replay, but he didn't so the play has to stop when the whistle is blown.

It just needs to be consistent. Something questionable like stepping out of bounds? Let it play out.

They let much less safe situations like holding take place and let the play finish so something non-contact related shouldn't even be noted.

 

[HFCS]

I could see that from behind the play when the last guy comes in and hits his feet it would look like he was blocked from Noel's feet and couldn't see it, but it would seem that he prob. stepped out.

But the point is correct - if you don't see it, you don't blow it dead. If he stepped out, no big deal. The official did the one thing you can't do in that situation. That crew was incompetent.

This is why it's worth discussing the almost completed forward pass that was ruled a fumble even though replay corrected it.

 

[HFCS]

It just needs to be consistent. Something questionable like stepping out of bounds? Let it play out.

They let much less safe situations like holding take place and let the play finish so something non-contact related shouldn't even be noted.

The Kansas players tackled him 30 yards down field anyway. Everybody kept playing because it just seemed like normal amazing return. If they blew a whistle it didn't stop anybody, they just still played football in bounds.

 

[madguy30]

The Kansas players tackled him 30 yards down field anyway. Everybody kept playing because it just seemed like normal amazing return. If they blew a whistle it didn't stop anybody, they just still played football in bounds.

Yeah when you're running full bore like that with a football helmet on and the crowd screaming etc. a whistle won't be heard anyway.

'Everyone stop in your tracks, ok?'

 

[Ozfam]

I get it, the play was called dead by the whistle, so it is not reviewable. But, if he is trained not to blow the whistle on plays like that, where is the accountability to the official? There should ramifications from the BIG 12 officials. Because if not, who’s to say he won’t be prone to do it again. We are all human and make mistakes, and this one play may not have cost us the game, but may very well have changed the game plan going forward.