Wtf is this thread? Miseed the game last night so was about to wach it this morning and this is the top thread? I guess others aren't as excited about beating one of the best teams in the country by 17 as I am.
Turnovers
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They were often a result of players not being ready for it or him trying a 3/4 court pass under the basket to catch the defense off guard.
It happened but they were less of the run out causing type.
The competition is much better now, so it is much harder to get away with getting yourself into a precarious spots.
Did you look up the stats and game cast?
ISU was up 24 and let AZ back in it to get to 9 with a bunch of turnovers, hurried shots etc. including at one time 5 possessions in a row.
ISU went about 5 or more minutes without a basket.
It was a great win but the last 7 minutes were more of the same stuff.
The inside game wasn't there but 9 threes in the first half helped.
The numbers were low but the types of turnovers were there.
For example, Auburn's last possession in Maui was because of forcing a dribble into three defenders instead of kicking it out to the wing.
That's unfortunate but aren't you the one always preaching about how it's a game of runs and momentum?
I specifically remember you talking early in the season about how it's so easy to come back from double digits deficits now.
To answer your question, didn't look at stats, turned it on when I got home from a movie, saw Jefferson get picked and cut to 9, and then watched them comfortably end up winning by 17 three minutes later.
Yes, it is a game of runs, it can be quick to come back etc. I still believe that. It happens all the time.
AZ was definitely going to go on a run at some point, maybe get it to 15 or at least press for one.
That's a different thing then ISU making it easier for AZ by hurrying possessions and getting picked at half court multiple times, etc. in a row from simply not being patient with the ball.
If you watch the last 7-10 minutes and are impressed, more power to you.
And I guess TJ finally said Gilbert is not seeing the floor the rest of the game. His turnovers contributed to the run. Once he sat game settled back in. Back and forth but Arizona was not getting extra possessions at the volume they were before.
Good call by TJ.
Still think Keshon will get back to a 2 or 3 turnover per game level. He is who he is, aggressive and will take chances. And is a major part of why ISU is going to average 25+ wins per year last 2 years
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Lots of fouls late in the game that gave Arizona a chance to get points at the free throw line with the clock stopped.
Have TJ changed who mainly handles the ball when setting up offense or bring the ball up from early in the season? Does Gilbert handle the ball a lot more? Didn't he use to shoot a lot more 3's early in the season?
Have TJ changed who mainly handles the ball when setting up offense or bring the ball up from early in the season? Does Gilbert handle the ball a lot more? Didn't he use to shoot a lot more 3's early in the season?
Lipsey is still primary.
If Gilbert has some leg strains, he probably is not as explosive as he would like to be
Also last year he shot 202 free throws this year 114 so far..So he probably is not getting some of the calls he got last year.
In the first 4 Big 12 games he got to the line at least 6 times in 3 of them.
Since then he has gotten to the line 6 times only once, and that was a win at ASU. Last night he did not get to the line at all
So like I said maybe injury does not allow him to be as explosive, and harder to get the D to reach. Something is off somewhere
Is he trying to pass more when driving in the lane instead of going to the basket?
Gilbert was trying to do to much, teams have figured out he wants to drive to the hoop and they are doubling him when he gets into the paint, which is leading to turnovers. He needs to get back to drive and dishing it out to the open man when they collapse on him, instead of trying to weave it through to score. This teams needs the Gilbert we were getting at the start of the season, and need Jones to start hitting shots again.
Probably, he needs a pull up shot, he tries to go off glass everytime.
And last year and earlier this year he got a lot of whistles on drives. For whatever reason that has dried up.
He needs to anticipate the collapse better and pass before he gets completely surrounded
Feels like we do that every night though. “If you take away Jefferson’s 7 turnovers against OSU, we only have 11 as a team.”
It’s like saying “If Curtis didn’t score 30 points, we wouldn’t have won.” Doesn’t work like that because he did score and we are turning it over at elevated rates.
The frustrating part is that it feels like half of them are self-inflicted and not due to the defense. That gives hope that they can be cleaned up but not sure that’s happening based on conference play numbers. It’s who we are at this point.
Damnit- now I’m buying some at my HyVee run today.
Turnovers are gonna happen but we have about 5 to 10 of them a game that just leave you wondering wtf are we doing. Just fumbling it under no pressure, low % risky post entry feeds from impossible angles, driving under the basket, getting stuck and trying to make a crazy pass to one of our bigs in a clogged lane. These are Turnovers that should easily be eliminated if you are an intelligent team.
I agree. We’re a hell of a lot better with Gilbert than we are without him.
