Anyone notice Iowa's going after another one of our commits?

mikem

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Come on now, you don't really think ISU doesn't recruit players that have made a verbal to another school? Almost every school recruits or at least keeps in touch with players that have made a verbal commitment to another program. Most schools will stop contacting a player if he tells them to stop, most schools but not all. Some kids like the attention and flirt with other programs after they verbal to a school.


All schools do it. Coaches make too much money, and they lose their jobs if they don't win enough.

I have no problem with iowa doing this, I would expect CPR, and his staff to do the same thing. You have nothing to lose, and so why not see if he is interested.

This is something that is going to happen a lot in the coming years because this staff has done an excellent job of identifying talent early. The days of the hawks being able use instate kids as fallback recruits if they miss on their targets are over.

One thing mac the mediocre did here was take away the instate walk on program at iowa. He managed to get kids that were further down the list, and would have been offered preferred walk on status in ic, to come to Ames on scholarship. This is an extension of that. It does take time, and it will be a constant battle from here on out for this staff.
 

mikem

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I'm not denying that kids want to come to ISU. I think Blevins is a different situation. We didn't offer him that long ago, and I think it's a stretch to think that UI had not identified him before we offered him. IMO, they were probably just waiting for senior film.

Iowa is not that much different than us...they are still an outsider. Big schools will come into to Iowa and compete for all of the top talent. I don't think they really string Iowa kids along when they like them.

I sure hope we can keep this kid. It seems like every 6'4"-6'5" recruit turns out alright for us.


I didn't say that he wasn't waiting for a hawk offer. I was saying that what you said had NOTHING to do with what that idiot wrote.

Of course the hawks knew about all of these kids. They know about all of the instate kids that they might even recruit.

The point is that they have always been able to slow these kids down, and keep them hanging while they pursued their top choices. This year they have lost out on two good players to us, Hill and Bevans. After they have either missed on their primary targets, or the kids have played better than they thought, they have come in late and offered after they have committed.

The worst part is that their vaginas hurt when bielema comes in and takes recruits from them.

I know that it is shocking that a hawk fan demonstrates huge amounts of hypocrisy, sorry if it bothers you when they are called out.
 

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I didn't say that he wasn't waiting for a hawk offer. I was saying that what you said had NOTHING to do with what that idiot wrote.

Of course the hawks knew about all of these kids. They know about all of the instate kids that they might even recruit.

The point is that they have always been able to slow these kids down, and keep them hanging while they pursued their top choices. This year they have lost out on two good players to us, Hill and Bevans. After they have either missed on their primary targets, or the kids have played better than they thought, they have come in late and offered after they have committed.

The worst part is that their vaginas hurt when bielema comes in and takes recruits from them.

I know that it is shocking that a hawk fan demonstrates huge amounts of hypocrisy, sorry if it bothers you when they are called out.

Bielema hasn't really swooped in and taken any recruits from Iowa. I can think of Melvin Gordon off the top of my head (who would be getting a lot of playing time right now), but other than that I can't think of any. It is just humorous that Bielema oftentimes offers players within a week or two of iowa offering.

Anyways, like you said, every school/coach recruits committed players. If they want to keep their job they are going to have to.
 

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I don't care if Iowa swoops in and goes after a committed kid. I have no issues with it at all. It's part of the game. I just fine it funny when some Hawk fans cry about it and Jon Miller goes on the radio talking about how sleazy Charlie Weis is b/c he stole an Iowa commit on signing day. It happens.

Also, your stud freshmen RB. McCall, I think his name his?.... Wasn't he a Michigan State commit?
 

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Come on now, you don't really think ISU doesn't recruit players that have made a verbal to another school? Almost every school recruits or at least keeps in touch with players that have made a verbal commitment to another program. Most schools will stop contacting a player if he tells them to stop, most schools but not all. Some kids like the attention and flirt with other programs after they verbal to a school.


I don't know what policy ISU has about continuing to recruit athletes once they've given a verbal commitment to another school. Since there's ample evidence every year that many young people change their minds about a decision, it might be wise to keep a line of commuication open. But I really don't know how ISU or any other school handles it. I only pointed out the Meyer case as evidence that if the uofi is upset when they lose a recruit, it's misplaced anger.
 

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It's a little bit different scenario. The reason Iowa offered Iowa State commits is because they didn't know if they were good enough yet, so they waited to see some film/higher rated recruits and how that plays out.

With other teams offering Iowa recruits, it is simply because Iowa just offered them. I have seen several mentions in articles (from Lemming and other analysts) that once Iowa offers, other schools take notice and decide to offer too.
That's okay, poaching is poaching. No need to apologize. Blame the slow poke tape guys. The tape was only available last year.
 

Wesley

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All schools do it. Coaches make too much money, and they lose their jobs if they don't win enough.

I have no problem with iowa doing this, I would expect CPR, and his staff to do the same thing. You have nothing to lose, and so why not see if he is interested.

This is something that is going to happen a lot in the coming years because this staff has done an excellent job of identifying talent early. The days of the hawks being able use instate kids as fallback recruits if they miss on their targets are over.

One thing mac the mediocre did here was take away the instate walk on program at iowa. He managed to get kids that were further down the list, and would have been offered preferred walk on status in ic, to come to Ames on scholarship. This is an extension of that. It does take time, and it will be a constant battle from here on out for this staff.
Nebby is now focusing on Iowa kids also. Leftovers may be a thing of the past for Iowa.
 

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It's a little bit different scenario. The reason Iowa offered Iowa State commits is because they didn't know if they were good enough yet, so they waited to see some film/higher rated recruits and how that plays out.

With other teams offering Iowa recruits, it is simply because Iowa just offered them. I have seen several mentions in articles (from Lemming and other analysts) that once Iowa offers, other schools take notice and decide to offer too.

Ridiculous.

Hopefully this kids relationship with our staff and current players/recruits helps him stay with the good guys. I seem to remember reading something that he was close with Kane Seeley and Devin Lemke from their wrestling days competing at 215.
 

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It's a little bit different scenario. The reason Iowa offered Iowa State commits is because they didn't know if they were good enough yet, so they waited to see some film/higher rated recruits and how that plays out.

With other teams offering Iowa recruits, it is simply because Iowa just offered them. I have seen several mentions in articles (from Lemming and other analysts) that once Iowa offers, other schools take notice and decide to offer too.


sure... you are awesome, we are not... of course this is exactly how it is. Or maybe our coaches can spot talent faster. Or maybe your team sucks really bad, and needs all the help it can get because no one wants to play for iowa anymore and are choosing Wisconsin, and Nebraska...
 

CarolinaCy

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It's a little bit different scenario. The reason Iowa offered Iowa State commits is because they didn't know if they were good enough yet, so they waited to see some film/higher rated recruits and how that plays out.

With other teams offering Iowa recruits, it is simply because Iowa just offered them. I have seen several mentions in articles (from Lemming and other analysts) that once Iowa offers, other schools take notice and decide to offer too.


So what you're saying is that ISU coaches are better at identifying talent than their Hawk counterparts?
 

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I don't think he was saying that. Shontrelle Johnson (Northwestern), Sedrick Johnson(TAMU?), two commits off the top of my head who were commited elsewhere. At least I'm somewhat sure Sedrick was commited to Tamu, could be wrong.
I wish ol' Sedrick would have gone to TAand M. he could have sucked there and not here. What a waste of a schollie. Almost as bad as Mahoney.
 

CycloneVet

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Actually talking to a couple of high school coaches that know. They were saying that a lot of these kids (Jevhon Miller etc) have been turned off by the Hawk coaching staff's arrogance. CPR is a better man to play for and it is paying dividends. Miller is a prototypical Hawkeye linebacker/ d linemen in the same mold as Humpal and Klinkenborg and Mitch King. This is what I have heard take it for what you will.
 

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It's a little bit different scenario. The reason Iowa offered Iowa State commits is because they didn't know if they were good enough yet, so they waited to see some film/higher rated recruits and how that plays out.

With other teams offering Iowa recruits, it is simply because Iowa just offered them. I have seen several mentions in articles (from Lemming and other analysts) that once Iowa offers, other schools take notice and decide to offer too.

Epic fail.
 

Cydkar

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Come on now, you don't really think ISU doesn't recruit players that have made a verbal to another school? Almost every school recruits or at least keeps in touch with players that have made a verbal commitment to another program. Most schools will stop contacting a player if he tells them to stop, most schools but not all. Some kids like the attention and flirt with other programs after they verbal to a school.

Every school probably does it. That really wasn't the point of the stupid post though.
 

Senolcyc

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It's a little bit different scenario. The reason Iowa offered Iowa State commits is because they didn't know if they were good enough yet, so they waited to see some film/higher rated recruits and how that plays out.

With other teams offering Iowa recruits, it is simply because Iowa just offered them. I have seen several mentions in articles (from Lemming and other analysts) that once Iowa offers, other schools take notice and decide to offer too.


Wow, you are drinking the kool-aid!!
 

Cydkar

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Bielema hasn't really swooped in and taken any recruits from Iowa. I can think of Melvin Gordon off the top of my head (who would be getting a lot of playing time right now), but other than that I can't think of any. It is just humorous that Bielema oftentimes offers players within a week or two of iowa offering.

Anyways, like you said, every school/coach recruits committed players. If they want to keep their job they are going to have to.

Iowa has offered two ISU commits within months of each other. That's fine but don't pretend that they are so much different than anyone else.

I honestly don't care if Iowa offers every single ISU commit.
 

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This is some nice fodder for those hawk fans that have gone out and trashed the 2012 ISU recruiting class, and how Rhoads and the staff are bringing in FCS level talent.
 

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Iowa is finding out that they can't slow-play these kids anymore. They can't say "don't commit to ISU, we may have something for you in December". Because it used to be that way. Tyler Sash and Colin Sandeman...both had early offers from ISU. A couple months later, they had an iowa offer and were iowa commits. Same with Pat Angerer. Same with Nielson and Hundertmark from Humboldt. Same with Andy Brodell.

These days, if an instate kid has an ISU offer and iowa is slow-playing them, they will likely tell iowa to f-off and commit to ISU. We'll see if Bevins sticks, I'm betting he does. ISU is a solid program, their conference is stable now and their coach is much more personable. Iowa may win more (with their usually easy schedule) but ISU has a lot to offer.
 

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Rogers was at the Iowa game the same week he committed to ISU IN IOWA GEAR, and will be there Saturday too.

Sounds like he's solidly committed...:rolleyes:
 

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