Are we better off with FH than GM?
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Hoiberg- CLASS ACT !
Coaching Hire.... :mask:
First of all.... back in the mid 90's I was actually fortunate to have taken a consumer behavior marketing class with Hoiberg. They were scheduled to fly out for a game in Colorado on a Friday around 2:00... Like usual... Fred was in class at 11:00... to me that was impressive.
On hearing of the hiring this evening however, I was a bit disappointed... didn't understand the choice. The position hasn't even been open for more than 48 hours... how many interviews were made ?? I would like to have seen Hoiberg on the bench first... not necessarily the head coach. Danny Manning is a nice piece on the Kansas staff.... but not the head coach.
RECRUITING? How does this hire improve recruiting ? Hoiberg is a nice ambassador for Iowa State basketball but the recruits of today... 17-18 year olds were how old when he played for Iowa State... THREE ?? "We" remember him....I even remember watching him play in high school.... but do the one's that matter ??
STYLE ? What kind of style does he bring ? Colvin is still on campus taking classes and was leaving, according to him, because of the "style" Mc Dermott was coaching.... Was it a stretch that we could have re-recruited Colvin depending on the style the new coach brought in ???
LONG-TERM ? If he wins... great hire ! and for the long haul. If he does not... how do you go about firing "the mayor" I hope I am wrong but... what if... what if Pollard see's an opportunity for himself to leave in the near future ?? and this hire is a short term appeasement for the fans... we are then left with a messy situation should this not work out.... again... would rather see Hoiberg on the beach ala Danny Manning.... groomed for a possible future position.
My choices were... Larry (long shot-yes)
Second choice.... Lon Kruger.... watching the style of play they played against UNI in the tourney... IN YO' FACE full court defense was impressive. What is our STYLE now ???
The real news we await is.... who are the ASSISTANTS ???
HERE's JOHNNY ! ???
GO STATE !
Scott in Ankeny Class '96
Coaching Hire.... :mask:
First of all.... back in the mid 90's I was actually fortunate to have taken a consumer behavior marketing class with Hoiberg. They were scheduled to fly out for a game in Colorado on a Friday around 2:00... Like usual... Fred was in class at 11:00... to me that was impressive.
On hearing of the hiring this evening however, I was a bit disappointed... didn't understand the choice. The position hasn't even been open for more than 48 hours... how many interviews were made ?? I would like to have seen Hoiberg on the bench first... not necessarily the head coach. Danny Manning is a nice piece on the Kansas staff.... but not the head coach.
RECRUITING? How does this hire improve recruiting ? Hoiberg is a nice ambassador for Iowa State basketball but the recruits of today... 17-18 year olds were how old when he played for Iowa State... THREE ?? "We" remember him....I even remember watching him play in high school.... but do the one's that matter ??
STYLE ? What kind of style does he bring ? Colvin is still on campus taking classes and was leaving, according to him, because of the "style" Mc Dermott was coaching.... Was it a stretch that we could have re-recruited Colvin depending on the style the new coach brought in ???
LONG-TERM ? If he wins... great hire ! and for the long haul. If he does not... how do you go about firing "the mayor" I hope I am wrong but... what if... what if Pollard see's an opportunity for himself to leave in the near future ?? and this hire is a short term appeasement for the fans... we are then left with a messy situation should this not work out.... again... would rather see Hoiberg on the beach ala Danny Manning.... groomed for a possible future position.
My choices were... Larry (long shot-yes)
Second choice.... Lon Kruger.... watching the style of play they played against UNI in the tourney... IN YO' FACE full court defense was impressive. What is our STYLE now ???
The real news we await is.... who are the ASSISTANTS ???
HERE's JOHNNY ! ???
GO STATE !
Scott in Ankeny Class '96
This.
The only way this is known to be better is ticket sales. Even that isn't known for sure, but I'd say it's a given.
Haven't we established that most players that come to play in the Big 12 are really semi-pro athletes looking to make it in the NBA? Can you imagine how many contacts FH has in the NBA and what kind of sell that would be? GMAC had none of that. He was also supposed to be a great x's and o's guy with hundreds of plays. Did anyone see our offense this year? anything has to be better than that.
I would like Fred to have more coaching experience, but it is not like he has been managing a pork processing plant the last 15 years. The guy has been in an NBA office, and playing in the NBA. The guy is smart and knows basketball. Don't forget the Fred was an A student in HS and college. Fred made it to the NBA because he understands the game and how to play it, not because he was an amazing talent.
He will need to have some very good asst. coaches, and it looks like he has a good start on that.
He will need to have some very good asst. coaches, and it looks like he has a good start on that.
This will put some pride and passion back into our MBB program. We had no leadership. Huge upgrade. We will struggle next year, but will get better.
He has talked in the past about how his eyes were opened while playing for Tim Floyd, about the intensity and effort needed to succeed and win, and then another level higher with Larry Brown.
I expect his practices will be no-nonsense and intense - light years away from the past four years...
McDermott had lost this team, and it would be much harder to get it back than to move on, which he did.
Fred is a natural leader, and just has a presence about him. He will get the recruits, and I think he will relate well to the players and get them to play for him. The key is in good assistants, and I think he has the contacts to get some good ones.
Fred is a natural leader, and just has a presence about him. He will get the recruits, and I think he will relate well to the players and get them to play for him. The key is in good assistants, and I think he has the contacts to get some good ones.
I think this is the best thing to happen to ISU hoops in a long time.
Some of you guys are way over analyzing this situation. Fred is the perfect hire and he is why.
1. re-energized fan base (check)
2. Stabilize a stinky GM program where kids don't want to be (check)
Fred has all the intangibles you can't teach. He is passionate about the school, the town, the fans, and most importantly iowa state basketball. Iowa State basketball saw its success with teams of kids not necessarily the most talented in the world but guys the played with a fire unmatched in conference play. They bought into hilton magic and the glory of Iowa State basketball and the fans were there 100% of the way. No true Iowa State fan can not cheer for Fred and his boys because all he has done for the school. Next years team will know what its like to play in front a true iowa state basketball crowd and hopefully with a bit of luck they will buy into fred and this thing called hilton magic they have hear of by never seen.
Some of you guys are way over analyzing this situation. Fred is the perfect hire and he is why.
1. re-energized fan base (check)
2. Stabilize a stinky GM program where kids don't want to be (check)
Fred has all the intangibles you can't teach. He is passionate about the school, the town, the fans, and most importantly iowa state basketball. Iowa State basketball saw its success with teams of kids not necessarily the most talented in the world but guys the played with a fire unmatched in conference play. They bought into hilton magic and the glory of Iowa State basketball and the fans were there 100% of the way. No true Iowa State fan can not cheer for Fred and his boys because all he has done for the school. Next years team will know what its like to play in front a true iowa state basketball crowd and hopefully with a bit of luck they will buy into fred and this thing called hilton magic they have hear of by never seen.
1. More like created a gigantic schism in the fan base - half the fan base has been re-energized. The other half thinks this may be JP's worst mistake yet.
2. What's been stabilized? He hasn't even signed the contract yet...
Stabilized the players commitment to the school. What do you mean by schism if people are going to get uptight about bringing in a quality person who has given more to ISU than they ever will then they should join the cry babies that wear black and gold.
He will only divide the ISU fanbase if people don't give him a fair shake and hope he fails at everything.
Kinda like how fans were wishing McD would lose at the end of the season so he would be fired. Seriously some of our fans are idiots...
I use to think GMac was a very good coach that just had bad luck with player leaving. Now I am not so sure. There have even been a few former player speak up about the Cyclone "FAMILY" falling apart. It doesn't matter how good a coach you are if none of the player want to play for you.
The question asked here was will we better off with Freddy than GMac. The answer is YES. Even though hiring Fred may be a giant leap into the unknown, GMac was presiding over a Dead Program Walking. Players leaving in droves, an inability to recruit to fill needs, questionable coaching decisions. How can it get any worse than that? Fred will provide some immediate light at the end of the tunnel. If he's successful in surrounding himself with eager, competent assistants, that light could grow to a mighty beacon in a very short time. Welcome back, Fred. Ames and ISU is still yours.:yes:
Every coaching hire is a leap into the unknown. All you can do is make your best guess and go with you gut. Winning basketball takes a lot more than a guy who can coach. Even calling a guy a coach is an understatement to what his job entails. I though GM was a good X and O guy and an classy man but he was frequently caught with his pants down on coaching decisions on the court. I don't see Fred being any more out coached. I take his NBA skills to GM's skills of getting out coached by his old assistant any day.
No one could possibly doubt Fred's love for ISU or his commitment to winning here. He doesn't have to prove that to anyone. But coaching high level college basketball is something he is going to have to prove to EVERYONE.
Even his mom doesn't know if teh Fred can coach college basketball. At the Big 12 level, that's sort of a problem.
I want to drink the koolade too, but this is a big job, and it shouldn't be heresy to suggest that while Fred has a ton of qualities you would want in an ISU basketball coach, he's sort of a blank sheet when it comes to his probability of success.
It's a home run hire from a P.R. standpoint. We need more than good P.R.
Even his mom doesn't know if teh Fred can coach college basketball. At the Big 12 level, that's sort of a problem.
I want to drink the koolade too, but this is a big job, and it shouldn't be heresy to suggest that while Fred has a ton of qualities you would want in an ISU basketball coach, he's sort of a blank sheet when it comes to his probability of success.
It's a home run hire from a P.R. standpoint. We need more than good P.R.
