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He didn't call a timeout to ice the kicker, he called it because he thought they were running a fake FG
I'm pretty sure he was right. They were going to fake it, Farley just decided to use his QB since they knew it was coming after a TO.
 

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Cyclones.tv was so ******* horrible and jerky how in the **** could you tell he was looking at his watch? I saw it one time and it froze there for 2:45. All around failure of a night.

Once I finally got in my feed was awesome. I really think there is a problem in internet providers as I see these complaints every game on Cyclone.tv. As shaky as execution was, this is the future and Iowa State should pursue it as much as possible.
 

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That's not what I was implying. Even if Iowa St found some way to stop uni from scoring the go ahead score, and won the game, I would still say Campbell was out coached. Not necessarily a bad thing, and to me, doesn't mean anything going forward, but you can't honestly say Campbell was the better coach out there.

I think it is inconclusive that he was out coached, too many variables. Judging a coach on his first game with a new team and roster he did not build against a 10 year coach is unfair.
 

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I think it is inconclusive that he was out coached, too many variables. Judging a coach on his first game with a new team and roster he did not build against a 10 year coach is unfair.

Oh please. He was clearly out coached. Now, of course, that doesn't mean that he isn't a good coach and that he won't end up being a better coach than Farley. But he was out coached on Saturday. In the grand scheme of things being out coached in your first game at a school isn't a big deal. But it clearly happened.
 

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I completely agree about the fundamentals. That's one of those things that happens with coaching continuity, track record of success, consistent recruiting and coaching and development of players at their highest level. Meanwhile we had over 40 kids at their first ISU camp and have a grand total of like 15 practices under their belt?

Good god some of you are NOT equipped for so many things in life that take time, work, effort and patience.

Patience U say, Good God, I have been waiting for 54 years for a conference title ....and I dont see one in sight anytime soon.......
 
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Oh please. He was clearly out coached. Now, of course, that doesn't mean that he isn't a good coach and that he won't end up being a better coach than Farley. But he was out coached on Saturday. In the grand scheme of things being out coached in your first game at a school isn't a big deal. But it clearly happened.
Generally neither coach is outcoached. Getting outcoached is so overrated. It usually comes down to who is the better team. We sure as hell weren't that is mostly a result of it being the first game for the new coach.
 

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So you'd rather have Paul can't take a ******* knee with a minute to go because that's what the ******* card said? Go **** yourself you whiney baby.


Did I say that? Of course, Matt Campbell had a big ******* card in his hand all game too!

I'm not saying that the wrong decision was made. I'm not saying that we hired on the wrong coach. I'm not saying that Campbell is doomed to fail.

I AM SAYING THAT HE AND HIS STAFF WERE OUT COACHED ON SATURDAY NIGHT. I'm shocked that anyone could watch that game and say with a straight face that Campbell coached better or equal to Farley.
 

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Generally neither coach is outcoached. Getting outcoached is so overrated. It usually comes down to who is the better team. We sure as hell weren't that is mostly a result of it being the first game for the new coach.

Generally, a coach who screws up 2 timeouts, has penalties totaling almost 100 yards, makes a play call that is beyond stupid, and has an offense that (by his own admission) has zero rhythm all game is out coached.
 

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Once I finally got in my feed was awesome. I really think there is a problem in internet providers as I see these complaints every game on Cyclone.tv. As shaky as execution was, this is the future and Iowa State should pursue it as much as possible.

There's almost no way that my issues were related to my internet speed. Right after my modem connected and the little AOL Msn told me "You've got mail" I only had to wait a few minutes to get into Cyclones.tv... blistering fast speeds.
 
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Generally, a coach who screws up 2 timeouts, has penalties totaling almost 100 yards, makes a play call that is beyond stupid, and has an offense that (by his own admission) has zero rhythm all game is out coached.

Pretty sure the time out before the kick was the correct call. Everyone who knows anything about football was expecting a fake of some kind. I'd rather him take the TO than get duped on a trick play.
 
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Pretty sure the time out before the kick was the correct call. Everyone who knows anything about football was expecting a fake of some kind. I'd rather him take the TO than get duped on a trick play.

If you're banking on a trick play because everyone in the world thinks it is going to be... then why not make sure the guys lining up in the field goal block situation are aware of said trick play. It was a higher likelihood that the fake FG would fail than to have the QB who averaged 42 yards per carry run it in from the 2. He wasn't on the field, their placeholder would have had to make a throw and a 2nd or 3rd string WR would have had to catch said throw. Instead first string players who had been running all over us. I wouldn't have done the TO
 

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Patience U say, Good God, I have been waiting for 54 years for a conference title ....and I dont see one in sight anytime soon.......

THAT is your requirement for a first year head coach? SERIOUSLY? Dude - find another team since there is nothing we will do in the next several years that will soothe your savage soul.
 

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Did I say that? Of course, Matt Campbell had a big ******* card in his hand all game too!

I'm not saying that the wrong decision was made. I'm not saying that we hired on the wrong coach. I'm not saying that Campbell is doomed to fail.

I AM SAYING THAT HE AND HIS STAFF WERE OUT COACHED ON SATURDAY NIGHT. I'm shocked that anyone could watch that game and say with a straight face that Campbell coached better or equal to Farley.

Put your experience and expertise on display. In HINDSIGHT even, what should CMC and staff have done differently that would have won the game? Coach harder? Install multiple offenses in 15 practices with a brand new team and be able to run 100 different plays and formations flawlessly? Please - I'm curious on your knowledge and want to learn.
 
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Pretty sure the time out before the kick was the correct call. Everyone who knows anything about football was expecting a fake of some kind. I'd rather him take the TO than get duped on a trick play.

It's only the right call if it works. That's how this board rolls...
 

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Apparently you didn't see Warren and Ryen run into each other at full speed - behind the line of scrimmage - and knock each other out of the game?

Yeah I bet Campbell had them run that play in practice at least a couple times. Told Ryen to put his head down and go all-out when he runs into Warren to really sell it.

/Jimlad because I doubt you'd get the sarcasm.
 

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Confession time: When CMC's hire was first announced, I was like "really?" The same Matt Campbell that was owned by CPR in Ames two years ago? Also the same Matt Campbell that was getting owned by Paul Rhoads for most of the game AT Toledo last year? It took a classic Paul Rhoads blunder at the end of that game for CMC to pull out the win. CPR basically gifted him that win.

I know he has done an amazing job of recruiting so far and I can definitely recognize that. However, I was on the fence regarding his coaching abilities when the hire happened (because of his history against one of our worst coaches) and I'm still on the fence about it now. I really, really, really hope he can prove me wrong. I'm okay waiting two years before a full evaluation, because he is changing the culture, the system, and the players so he deserves at least some time to turn the program around. A huge part of winning at this level is talent, so hopefully he can turn all this positive recruiting into a winner.

With that being said, and back to Pollard in general, this was JP again going for the cheaper option. He went cheap in basketball (McDermott) and then again (Hoiberg) and only increased Fred's pay once he was proven. When it was time for a Hoiberg replacement he could have hired a higher profile coach, but decided to go cheap again. Prohm seems to be working out okay, but we'll see in a couple of years. In football, this is also the 3rd time he's gone cheap instead of hiring an established P5 winner. He also did that horrible contract extension for CPR. He makes all the hiring decisions, so some of it has to be on him if it does not work out.
 

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Confession time: When CMC's hire was first announced, I was like "really?" The same Matt Campbell that was owned by CPR in Ames two years ago? Also the same Matt Campbell that was getting owned by Paul Rhoads for most of the game AT Toledo last year? It took a classic Paul Rhoads blunder at the end of that game for CMC to pull out the win. CPR basically gifted him that win.

I know he has done an amazing job of recruiting so far and I can definitely recognize that. However, I was on the fence regarding his coaching abilities when the hire happened (because of his history against one of our worst coaches) and I'm still on the fence about it now. I really, really, really hope he can prove me wrong. I'm okay waiting two years before a full evaluation, because he is changing the culture, the system, and the players so he deserves at least some time to turn the program around. A huge part of winning at this level is talent, so hopefully he can turn all this positive recruiting into a winner.

With that being said, and back to Pollard in general, this was JP again going for the cheaper option. He went cheap in basketball (McDermott) and then again (Hoiberg) and only increased Fred's pay once he was proven. When it was time for a Hoiberg replacement he could have hired a higher profile coach, but decided to go cheap again. Prohm seems to be working out okay, but we'll see in a couple of years. In football, this is also the 3rd time he's gone cheap instead of hiring an established P5 winner. He also did that horrible contract extension for CPR. He makes all the hiring decisions, so some of it has to be on him if it does not work out.

You haven't been a fan long if you think CPR was one of our worst coaches. He may not have ended on a positive note but he had some hellacious wins and huge upsets. Go back to 1980 and look through the coaches. DMAC maybe was better but CPR was head and shoulders over the rest of those yahoos.
 

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You haven't been a fan long if you think CPR was one of our worst coaches. He may not have ended on a positive note but he had some hellacious wins and huge upsets. Go back to 1980 and look through the coaches. DMAC maybe was better but CPR was head and shoulders over the rest of those yahoos.
Well, McCarney was the coach when I went to school so I've only really followed ISU athletics since then.
 

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Confession time: When CMC's hire was first announced, I was like "really?" The same Matt Campbell that was owned by CPR in Ames two years ago? Also the same Matt Campbell that was getting owned by Paul Rhoads for most of the game AT Toledo last year? It took a classic Paul Rhoads blunder at the end of that game for CMC to pull out the win. CPR basically gifted him that win.

I know he has done an amazing job of recruiting so far and I can definitely recognize that. However, I was on the fence regarding his coaching abilities when the hire happened (because of his history against one of our worst coaches) and I'm still on the fence about it now. I really, really, really hope he can prove me wrong. I'm okay waiting two years before a full evaluation, because he is changing the culture, the system, and the players so he deserves at least some time to turn the program around. A huge part of winning at this level is talent, so hopefully he can turn all this positive recruiting into a winner.

With that being said, and back to Pollard in general, this was JP again going for the cheaper option. He went cheap in basketball (McDermott) and then again (Hoiberg) and only increased Fred's pay once he was proven. When it was time for a Hoiberg replacement he could have hired a higher profile coach, but decided to go cheap again. Prohm seems to be working out okay, but we'll see in a couple of years. In football, this is also the 3rd time he's gone cheap instead of hiring an established P5 winner. He also did that horrible contract extension for CPR. He makes all the hiring decisions, so some of it has to be on him if it does not work out.

Wish there was a "kinda sorta agree" button.
 

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Well, McCarney was the coach when I went to school so I've only really followed ISU athletics since then.
So all you are really comparing are DMAC and Chiz. Not much to compare to there. I can remember Donnie Duncan, Jim Criner, and Jim Walden. They would have been crucified if the internet existed back then. Trust me, you didn't miss much.
 
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