Does the legacy of the "mayor" change after this?

[ozziecalcavecci]

So in summary....

1. Interviews with 3 NBA teams while staying silent at home

2. Feels need to be "honest" with recruit while telling his own player he will be back

3. Leaves with a sweet sixteen banner and two conference tournament banners hanging after all the talk of Final Four

4. Essentially halted recruiting

5. Move up surgery to ensure he would be ready to take NBA job (reported but I do not believe this one)

6. Left A LOT of people at ISU athletic department in the dark for A LONG time as to what was really going on.

The "Iowa State is my dream job" stuff needs to be let go. I understand how people want to keep bringing this up, but as one succeeds, dreams and goals change, as they should.

I will not fault Fred for taking the job, good for him and it will make watching the NBA remotely interesting for me now. He made ISU basketball relevant again. However, his actions over the last 2 months quite frankly just don't fit how he has conducted himself, in public at least, for the prior 5 years. Unfortunately, these two months is the last impression he left on us.

 

[isukendall]

It makes it a lot tougher to swallow since the team didn't make a run in the tournament this year, also.

 

[MayorsAge]

Pretty clear that he thought THIS year's team (2014-2015) was his Final Four team. He had discussions with Golden State and Chicago last year and probably said "1 more year' thinking we'd be in great position after a deep run. Then we lose to fu^%^g UAB!!!! Thanks yo

 

[CyBroncos]

For me, it's not that he's leaving...it's how he's leaving

 

[Rogue52]

You typically have to hold a job longer than 5 years to have a legacy.

 

[TensasCy]

No. Shaq will still call him The Mayor.

 

[Wesley]

Wut?

Joke about all the sources.

 

[erikbj]

For me, it's not that he's leaving...it's how he's leaving

Realistically what was the "right" way to leave for the NBA? NBA jobs or the good ones don't open up till may or June. He's not leaving isu until he got the one he wanted. Even if there were behind the scene deals like Chicago, they were still playing 2 weeks ago and he couldn't say, "hey I'm going to chicago"

It sucks because we all wanted him here forever, and the divorce was going to be messy and feelings hurt.

If pollard gets the right guy to pick up where Fred leaves, we should be happy for what he has done the past 5 years and taking us from a joke to a national power.

If pollard screws it up and isu goes into being mediocre or worse, the new coach will be hated and Fred will be tarnished a bit for the hand off and letting the recruiting die

 

[SerenityNow]

While I don't think it will have an impact on me personally, I do want to hear what he says when he leaves. I don't know that the last month could have been handled any better (what can he say really), but it's going to be hard to think of anything else other than this shitstorm for quite awhile.

 

[ISUChippewa]

I will not fault Fred for taking the job, good for him and it will make watching the NBA remotely interesting for me now. He made ISU basketball relevant again. However, his actions over the last 2 months quite frankly just don't fit how he has conducted himself, in public at least, for the prior 5 years. Unfortunately, these two months is the last impression he left on us.

In terms of his legacy, it will definitely change, how can it not? From a coaching/performance perspective for me it will be a case of "What if?". I am thankful for all the great things he did for ISU basketball during his time here, and he's at least earned my deep appreciation and respect for that.

From a different perspective, that of being an Iowa State icon and face of not just the program but also the university, how he handles his imminent departure is going to be very important to how he's going to be received by ISU fans in the near future right after he leaves and down the road. I've written before that I would like to see some sort of farewell press conference or even some sort of public forum where he can say "goodbye, thanks for everything Cyclone fans, etc...". If he does that, and answers some questions about his thought process behind taking the Bulls job instead of staying for what could be an epic season, answers questions about why he's been so quiet for the last month and a half, etc., or even does something like take out a full-page ad in the paper thanking the community of Ames (even though that's becoming a cliché at this point), those actions would go a long way towards soothing my own feelings about his departure and I think it would for others as well. On the other hand, if the only words we get from him are a short 3 paragraph written statement released by the athletic department that looks like it was written by an intern, I'll be furious. Thankfully, I think Fred is smart enough to go with the first option instead of the second.

 

[TensasCy]

This all just shows that we should hang Fizer's and Tinsley's jerseys.

 

[Wesley]

This fred thing reminds me of Tim Floyd and then we got Crazy Larry.

 

[Sparkplug]

Some are questioning CFH's character while others are building it up

Jerry Krause lauds Fred Hoiberg as leader of high character

lhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ed-hoiberg-bulls-spt-0531-20150530-story.html

 

[Cyched]

Some are questioning CFH's character while others are building it up

Jerry Krause lauds Fred Hoiberg as leader of high character

lhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ed-hoiberg-bulls-spt-0531-20150530-story.html

Well, there's the kiss of death. Still time to change your mind Fred (kinda)

 

[wgleason]

We've only had 4 legendary coaches. 3 ISU legends: Nichols, Orr & Fennelly. 1 sport legend: Pop Warner.
Fred had a good run but no where near legend status.

 

[LindenCy]

We've only had 4 legendary coaches. 3 ISU legends: Nichols, Orr & Fennelly. 1 sport legend: Pop Warner.
Fred had a good run but no where near legend status.

I'd throw Jack Trice in there, but he is a unique case.

 

[3TrueFans]

I'd throw Jack Trice in there, but he is a unique case.

Coaches, Linden, put down the beer.

 

[Cyhart]

His legacy will be ok if JP doesn't screw it up with the next hire. If the next coach can build on what Fred has done, he will be viewed as the guy who came back and rebuilt the program. If it falls back to the mcdoormat years it will be a blip on the radar like when Floyd was here.

I think there is a lot of truth to this post. The best thing for Fred's legacy will be if his successor has success. Goodwill will return to the fan base. If we return to the cellar, many will feel as though he left ISU on the precipice and used the job as a stepping stone.

 

[stobb3s]

I'll always remember him, but I don't think he'll have a legacy. A 5 year tenure with the capstone being a Sweet 16 appearance still isn't legacy material in my opinion, even though ISU was awful before he arrived.

 

[Dingus]

Agreed that Fred's coaching legacy will hinge on whether the program sustains the success of the past few years or dips down. Either the start of something big or a temporary blip.

A 5 year coach is fairly close to a one and done player. Hoiberg as a coach would be similar to Royce as a player; excellence for a short time.