If you want CPR gone, who do you want to be hired to replace him?

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I'll never understand the mentality of those that just blindly follow Rhoads. He's never been successful in any part of coaching. Does he yell at people and throw fits at the ref? Yeah. But a 5 year old could do that too.

He's not a very good "X's and O's" coach and he sure as hell can't recruit. I just don't see how people can have faith in him. He's hasn't shown to be good at anything.

Without being dramatic and getting upset at me, can someone tell me what they like about Rhoads currently?

And to answer the questions of who I'd replace him with... I would love to see Sage get a chance. Maybe hire a guy from A&M or Baylor or Tech. An offensive mind from one of those systems. Plus someone with Texas roots wouldn't hurt. At this point in Iowa states place in college football, we won't be able to hire a bigger name for a price we can pay. We need to hire an unknown/up and coming guy.

While I certainly don't blindly follow him, I'll bite:
1. He wants to be at Iowa State
2. His contract doesn't lend itself to a coaching change
3. Why turn on a game that has had program defining wins because he's had a bad 1.2 seasons?
3. Who could we get to replace him that would be an upgrade?

You complain about his Xs and Oxs and recruiting and want to replace him with a guy (Sage) that has never done either of those two things??
 

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You must have forgotten the 2 national championship games he went to and the 1 he actually won. If that's "barely winning", I would love to "barely win".

In 16 years of coaching the premier job of college football, he only made the BCS 4 times, two of them being the title game. Those two appearances put him behind Florida State, Oklahoma, Alabama, LSU, and Ohio State. Shouldn't happen when you are the big dog in the a top 2 talent-producing state. Especially when you have more money than anyone else by far.

Shoot, Chizik won a title at Auburn. So Mack didn't exactly set the world on fire.
 

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To all the people calling me an idiot for Kiffin: he has a better record than Rhoads. He can recruit. Rhoads could never recruit. Also, who cares if he only coaches here for 3-4 years before moving elsewhere? He will put us in a better position and win more games than that loser Rhoads of ours. Too many people are accepting being the worst of the conference and think there's nobody that can make this team better. That's a lousy attitude. I, for one, am ready for change. I guess a bunch of you love losing as it's clear by your attitudes and not wanting Rhoads fired because he's a "good guy". Being a "good guy" doesn't win games as evidenced by his 27-38 career record.
LOL! My God dude, ask the folks in TN and USC what they think of Kiffin. Jesus himself wouldn't hire him!!
 

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Yep, I'm an idiot for expecting more since our coach has done nothing but prove he doesn't belong. I guess that makes me the idiot. Kiffin was the only guy I could think of off the top of my head, but anyone could do better than this coach who has a lower winning percentage than our career average with a bigger budget, better personnel, a new practice facility, and the SEZ coming. Wake up, people. Anyone is better than Rhoads. He's promised so much and just sucks! He should've been gone after that bowl loss to Tulsa where he clearly got outcoached. He got outcoached yesterday, and just about any other game of his.

I get wanting to replace rhoads. What nobody gets is kiffin. That guy really sucks and I'm shocked anybody wound want him.
 

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Those of you asking about Sage, Fred was in the same spot when we hired him.
 

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Those of you asking about Sage, Fred was in the same spot when we hired him.

Really? Has Sage been scouting and evaluating players as part of his role with an NFL team for the past five years?

Not that that matters in this ridiculous apples-to-oranges comparison anyway...
 

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Really? Has Sage been scouting and evaluating players as part of his role with an NFL team for the past five years?

Not that that matters in this ridiculous apples-to-oranges comparison anyway...


you don't think former NFL quarterbacks know anything about 'scouting' or 'talent'? Sage did not stick around in the league as long as he did because of raw talent, he was always smart with an average *by NFL standards* arm. the guy knows the game of football. its more similar to that Hoiberg guy than you might think.
 

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I'm not going to ssay Sage is anywhere close to what Fred was doing... but some of you might want to actually listen and/or speak with Sage when it comes to the game of football the dudes mind is what made him a player it wasn't top elite athletic ability.
 

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I'm not going to ssay Sage is anywhere close to what Fred was doing... but some of you might want to actually listen and/or speak with Sage when it comes to the game of football the dudes mind is what made him a player it wasn't top elite athletic ability.

Agreed. Love Sage but he has never actually evaluated anyone in a meaningful way that had potential consequences attached to it. Hoiberg came in the the general manager mindset in terms of attracting free agents er... transfers.

To be a successful head coach in basketball, you need talent above all else. Greg McDermott was a solid x and o guy. His issue was keeping talent. When Eustacy had Tinsley, he won 32 and 25 games. When he didn't, he won 15, 12, and 17.

In football, you need more than talent. Ron Zook could recruit talent. Tim Brewster could recruit talent. Hell, Chizik could recruit talent. But then comes the actual coaching.

While I think the guy is sharp, I don't see standing on an NFL sideline being enough to prepare Sage to install an offense, build a program, and call plays.
 

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Thinking some former QB like Sage or Seneca can come in and raise ISU to a power is crazy. I love those guys and what they did at ISU as players but talk about blinders.
 

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Agreed. Love Sage but he has never actually evaluated anyone in a meaningful way that had potential consequences attached to it. Hoiberg came in the the general manager mindset in terms of attracting free agents er... transfers.

To be a successful head coach in basketball, you need talent above all else. Greg McDermott was a solid x and o guy. His issue was keeping talent. When Eustacy had Tinsley, he won 32 and 25 games. When he didn't, he won 15, 12, and 17.

In football, you need more than talent. Ron Zook could recruit talent. Tim Brewster could recruit talent. Hell, Chizik could recruit talent. But then comes the actual coaching.

While I think the guy is sharp, I don't see standing on an NFL sideline being enough to prepare Sage to install an offense, build a program, and call plays.

This. If Sage is interested in coaching, he should go the Kliff Kingsbury route. If he is a bright as people say, he will quickly rise through the ranks.
 
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I would like to see him succeed and stay for a long time. If he has to go I don't think Pollard should get another shot at hiring a 3rd fb coach. If Rhoads were to get hired away due to being successful then he should get another shot.
 

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Agreed. Love Sage but he has never actually evaluated anyone in a meaningful way that had potential consequences attached to it. Hoiberg came in the the general manager mindset in terms of attracting free agents er... transfers.

To be a successful head coach in basketball, you need talent above all else. Greg McDermott was a solid x and o guy. His issue was keeping talent. When Eustacy had Tinsley, he won 32 and 25 games. When he didn't, he won 15, 12, and 17.

In football, you need more than talent. Ron Zook could recruit talent. Tim Brewster could recruit talent. Hell, Chizik could recruit talent. But then comes the actual coaching.

While I think the guy is sharp, I don't see standing on an NFL sideline being enough to prepare Sage to install an offense, build a program, and call plays.
Exactly. Chizik, who actually had a lot of coaching experience and had a decent eye for talent, was the flash/name approach. We need a guy that knows how to grind his way to wins, and more importantly knows how to get players to do the same. In terms of recruiting, finding guys that will compete and develop themselves is more important than signing a better athlete that is still not as good as what the Big 12 gets.

I thought CPR had a chance to be that guy with him finding a guy like Knott in his first few weeks, hiring a guy like Wally, and shaping up the players Chizik and Mac recruited/developed. But it is clear he chases the wrong things to often in both recruiting and offensive schemes, and as a staff did not make tough teams. His recruiting reminds me too much of Mac's downfall once he got in scramble mode.
 
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I don't understand the infatuation with Sage.

We've already been in the lowest tier of Big12 (together with Kansas) and there has been stigma that you can't win in Ames.
Can you imagine a rookie HC with no experience in coaching coming to recruit's house?

With CFH, he had been in the front office for several years. He had connections with NBA and one thing that gave him instant respect was when he wrote in a piece of paper on a draft day when Craig Brackins would be drafted. That gave him huge instant credibility.