You clearly have not been paying attention to what has transpired since the BYU game. Have you not watched SDW play since that time? Have you not listened to Mayor praise his work in games and practice?
But rip on our players all you want.
IOWA vs IOWA STATE
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You clearly have not been paying attention to what has transpired since the BYU game. Have you not watched SDW play since that time? Have you not listened to Mayor praise his work in games and practice?
But rip on our players all you want.
I think you are confusing "capable" with "needed".
I think that Iowa is a little deeper, however, I also think that the quality of the first 6 or 7 on each squad favors ISU. The quality of their depth may be skewed a little by being compared to their starters which aren't quite as good. The difference between ISU's first 6 or so and the rest of the bench is more dramatic partly because ISU's top is somewhat better than Iowa's.
I don't think Iowa starts their 5 best players and Fran realizes that. With Woodbury I think it's a confidence thing and Fran is trying to build his confidence. With Basabe, he's a senior who plays good defense. Both of them start but then kind of get lost in the shuffle as the game goes on. Uthoff and McCabe and even Olaseni have gotten more PT when the game is close.
Iowa's defense has been pretty solid for the most part this year. Nova was making contested three's and that is to their credit. With ND Iowa got back from the Bahamas 12 hrs later than planned and therefore didn't have a chance to really practice and prepare like they normally would.
I still think you will see a zone but they will change it up. A lot of times the press is used just to slow down a team from getting into their sets. Iowa will use the 3/4 quarter press to do just that.
I think ISU wins because it's at home but I don't think the talent gap is as wide as many posters want to believe.
What are you talking about? Michigan has McGary and BYU had Mika, who is a 6'-10" tank. We managed to keep both of them in check. Our guys are faster and our guards are better. Hogue is strong and with him, Ejim, and Niang on their big guys, we should be able to keep them in check. Don't be surprised to see good minutes out of Edozie if their big men become too much for Hogue, Niang, and Ejim to handle.
His 17 points against UMKC were impressive I'll give you that, but UMKC is not a good team, and he only had 3 points against Auburn. I'm not saying that SDW isn't a good player today and I'm not saying that he wont eventually become a good player, but I don't think he will big impact on this team this year.
Jon Miller has Iowa #2 in the big 10 in his "power rankings" behind Wisconsin. There is some serious Kool Aid drinking going on over there.
Mika had 17 points and 9 boards, I wouldn't call that keeping him in check. We did a good job vs McGary so I'll give you that. Iowa's bigs are different than Mika and McGary. Those 2 are stocky and thick. Iowa's bigs are leaner, but much longer and they run the floor a lot better. Maybe we would fare better against Iowa's bigs, IDK. We'll find out.
Of course not, just like Iowa's not as talented as you would think after reading HN.
I agree that home court is probably makes the difference between these two teams. If they played 10 times on a neutral court, it would be a 5-5 or maybe 6-4 type series. I think ISU's starting 5 are better than the Hawks, but their depth can neutralize that.
Either way, it's setting up for a great game that both fan bases can get excited about, which makes it way more fun.
God I'm sick of hearing about Iowa's depth. The way some make it out they have 54 guys that all play and get significant minutes. I guarantee that SDW, Edozie, and Gibson (our 7,8,9 guys) are just as good as Jok, Macabe, and whoever the hell their 9th guys is.
Mika was having a great game and Niang did most of his damage down the stretch when Mika was out with an eye injury:wideeyed:
Are you kidding me? We are better than Iowa, period. They are going to wake up Saturday morning with a headache and wondering what hit them.
I think Clones32 is just a troll and we should ignore him.
BYU and Michigan - games we won a LOOONG time ago. Since then I think you can make the case that we have just as much 'quality depth' as Iowa but with far greater upside.
Our starters vs theirs:
Niang > Woodbury
Kane >= Marble (Marble is good...I'll give you that)
Ejim > Basabe
Hogue > White
Thomas >= Gesell (Frosh vs Soph)
ADVANTAGE: ISU
Bench (based on the guys who actually played more than 10 mins against ND...)
Long >= McCabe
Dorsey-Walker > Uthoff
Edozie < Olaseni
Morris >>>> Clemmons
ADVANTAGE: IOWA
We have shooters everywhere. The only real depth discrepancy I see is Edozie vs Olaseni...Olaseni is just more athletic and has more experience. Now, Edozie hasn't played much for ISU yet so the sample size is limited. That being said, I think our bench PG is WAAAAAY better than Iowa's, which means we'll always have a guy on the floor who can take care of the ball and set the offense.
As far as fouls go - Woodbury is just as much a magnet for those as Niang is...it will come down to who is in better position and how the refs call it.
I like ISU by 10+ in this one.
I have several problems with this assessment.
1. Iowa's length in the frontcourt will be an issue for ISU? Ejim is 6'6", Hogue is 6'6", Niang is 6'7", and Edozie is 6'8". This group isn't the tallest but when has size ever been an issue for Ejim or Niang in the post? They are generally at a size disadvantage in the post in almost every game they play and it never seems to be an issue. I'll take slightly undersized post players that are intelligent, athletic, and highly skilled over taller, less athletic, and less skilled players every time. Anybody want to trade Ejim, Hogue, or Niang for Woodbury or White? I didn't think so. Oh... and one more little nugget... ISU's PG Kane at 6'4" is averaging more rebounds per game then anyone on Iowa's roster is averaging with 7.5 per game.
2. Villanova and Notre Dame are similar to ISU? Just because another team likes to shoot 3's doesn't make them similar. Do they run a similar offensive system where the bigs can step out and shoot 3's? No. How do the minutes break down? Do they have depth and efficiency like ISU? Well... ND has 5 guys averaging 20 minutes per game (3 of them over 30 minutes per game), Nova has 6 guys averaging 20 minutes per game (2 of them over 30 minutes per game), ISU has 7 guys averaging 20 minutes per game (None of them over 30 minutes per game). When it comes to efficiency ISU has 7 guys shooting 31% or better from deep, ND has 4, and Nova has 4. ISU has more threats from deep and they are more efficient shooting the ball. ISU has made 64 triples in 6 games, Nova has 68 in 8 games, and ND has 60 in 7 games. ISU has more effective 3 point shooters and is hitting 3's at a higher rate then Nova & ND.
3. Depth. ISU has 9 guys averaging 11 minutes or more per game. 6 of those guys are averaging 10.8 points per game or more. The 7th is averaging 8 points per game along with 4 rebounds and 4.5 assists. Iowa has 10 guys averaging 13 minutes per game or more. 4 of those guys are averaging 9.8 points per game or more. The other 6 guys are averaging between 7 and 5 points per game. So ISU has 6 guys that are legit scoring threats on a game by game basis and 3 role players. Iowa has 4 legit scoring threats on a game by game basis and 6 guys that are nothing more then role players. I don't buy this great depth angle people are trying to say favors Iowa because quite frankly it doesn't.
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