This may be the years and years of Madden and NCAA football video games but I think you may be right... I truly believe I could call a better game than Mess... his gameplan is so unbelievably vanilla and bland... every defense knows exactly what we're doing on pretty much every play...
Is there a reason NOT to fire
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This may be the years and years of Madden and NCAA football video games but I think you may be right... I truly believe I could call a better game than Mess... his gameplan is so unbelievably vanilla and bland... every defense knows exactly what we're doing on pretty much every play...
I can't agree with you on point no. 3 but you're exactly right here. Find the money for a legit OC.
Anybody see Klenakis' line yesterday? Sure blame it on the Farniok injury but there is no reason the tackles should have been dominated like that.
Maybe he'd be a better play caller at the Big 12 level than a position coach. I'm not sure.
But I'm **** sure Mess isn't the guy.
Maybe he'd be a better play caller at the Big 12 level than a position coach. I'm not sure.
But I'm **** sure Mess isn't the guy.
I'm generally pretty pro-coach but I'm with you. He has no concept of making the defense pay for what they are doing. Sam was on his back because Mess couldn't keep the pressure off him and then he quit running the ball like he always does. He won't run plays that work more than once and i have no idea why. There is no concept of setting anything up and there are awful adjustments or lack thereof. I have wondered about him from the get-go and to be honest a lot of that is because of how he talks about offensive football. There seems ot be no intellect behind it and everything he says is so elementary it's not funny. I, for one, will be shocked if Sturdy doesn't call plays by the end of the year.
You said CPR has to fire Messingham by Tuesday. I said it isn't likely because he could have done so easily after the Memphis Debacle and didn't. I mocked you for pretending that the firing of the OC after a game somehow will magically motivate the players to do a better job, and barring a wholesale change in the offense, probably does little to change the way the game plans are created, because it would be the same guys (except Mess of course) doing it. That's what I said.
Get it straight.
You might think it's ignorant,but it does have the side benefit of actually being right, which sort of counts for something.:smile:
But you can talk about firing whoever the hell you want. No problem with that.
LOL. PlayStation: The cradle of coaches!
Just ******** you, I know what you meant.
I'm a little scared. Rhoads has never been faced with this situation. Does he man up to a bad decision, or does he kill himself on assistant loyalty a la DMac?
I love so much about Rhoads, but I'm afraid that he doesn't have the stones to fire a buddy who isn't performing.
You've offered no reason to retain Messingham. Plenty of posters (the majority) see no reason to keep CM. Do you have one?
I'm with you on that too. It seems like he has always pinned it on QBs by way of making the change. He has one that can work now.
Plenty of posters have seen nothing of 2013 ISU football other than last night's game and know, JUST KNOW, that CM must be fired by Tuesday or it is OVER.
That's what I'm poking fun at. The sanctimonious ******** of somebody who feels burned because their favorite team lost a football game. Messingham isn't going anywhere, you said it yourself it isn't likely to happen. Why the act? What's the point? Maybe there's all kinds of people out there walking around demanding people be fired whenever they are disappointed about things. But I really only run into that here, after a bad loss. It's lame. Messingham isn't evaluated as a coach only by what happens in a isolated game. Maybe he doesn't get the job done by the end of the year and has to move on after a full evaluation. As of now, he's contracted as CPR's OC, and I imagine that will continue despite any kicking, stomping fit people have after a loss.
Like you said, "It's a message board dip ****." And you did ask the question. I'm just offering a little perspective.:twitcy:
Tell me what we know will improve immediately when CPR cuts Mess loose. We need to move this discussion along now, after 24 hours of ranting things like, "Fire Messingham or the SEZ is at risk" (#30), or "We'll lose 90% of our fans," (#42).
I don't like losing football games either, but let's keep it real. Understanding that whatever person from the staff is elevated mid-season to OC will have the same players, the same schemes, the same playbook, and the same staff (sans Mess, of course) with which to develop a game plan, which concrete ways will the offense immediately improve that will translate into 6 wins. Not what we hope happens, what we KNOW happens by putting another ISU staff member in the job by having a high profile, mid season firing?
Because that is really the question here.
I don't like losing football games either, but let's keep it real. Understanding that whatever person from the staff is elevated mid-season to OC will have the same players, the same schemes, the same playbook, and the same staff (sans Mess, of course) with which to develop a game plan, which concrete ways will the offense immediately improve that will translate into 6 wins. Not what we hope happens, what we KNOW happens by putting another ISU staff member in the job by having a high profile, mid season firing?
Because that is really the question here.
We don't know anything will improve, but we do know that our game plans going in the under Mess have been decent (good first drives of each half a lot of times). We also know that he has struggled to make adjustments during the game, and that red zone play calling has been sub par. Most importantly, we know that we have two former and effective FCS coordinators on our staff in Klenakis and Sturdy who may very well be better play callers.
It worries me that almost every coach we have has taken a step back in their career at Iowa State (don't mean that as a knock on ISU, hear me out). Bleil was a head coach at Western Carolina. Klenakis was an offensive coordinator at Nevada for some very good offenses. Sturdy was a former offensive coordinator and had some good offenses at Wazzu. Kenith Pope has been at Alabama, Texas A&M, and was coaching at SMU on some great teams in the 80's. Its great that their resume's are flashy but it should be an indication in their professional careers that they aren't advancing. If the former CEO is working in the mail room so to speak, that's a problem. As for Messingham, his offenses at Missouri State were worse than awful. He never averaged more than 315 yards a game in a season when he was O-Coordinator.
Didn't know that. That really would have changed my opinion on him when he was promoted to OC.
You're in the wrong thread.
The question is if there is a reason not to fire CM. I've never stated that firing him will improve the offense. IMO it doesn't hurt to fire him.
We can't know. We only know what we saw Saturday and we know a fair amount about the teams we'll face this season (we played them all last season) and imo the offense from Saturday can't beat any of our remaining opponents. Imo we should fire CM and I'm really looking for good reasons he should remain as OC. Can't find any really good ones. I've seen some good reasons but none compelling enough for me to change my mind.
Meh, not really. Insulting me for asking an honest question just makes you look like a ******bag. But you're probably still upset from the loss and want to turn this into a meltdown thread.
These aren't honest questions or reasonable statements:
"I'd like some thoughtful discousre why this guy wasn't fired already." (#1)
"Fire Messingham or the SEZ is at risk" (#30)
"We'll lose 90% of our fans" (#42)
They are rants. In a meltdown thread of your own making. Don't lay it on me for calling you out on it.
Hopefully we can agree on the desire not to have threads on CF demanding a coach be fired after the next game.
"I'd like some thoughtful discousre why this guy wasn't fired already." (#1)
"Fire Messingham or the SEZ is at risk" (#30)
"We'll lose 90% of our fans" (#42)
They are rants. In a meltdown thread of your own making. Don't lay it on me for calling you out on it.
Hopefully we can agree on the desire not to have threads on CF demanding a coach be fired after the next game.
For all of the ranting and wanting coaches fired after Game 1 of the 2013 football season. That shows a total meltdown and "Panic" mode. You do not publicly fire a coach after the first game.........you make adjustments. There was enough ineptitude all over.
The Defense played atrociously. And a lot of that had a lot to do with totally inadequate play from the linebackers in particular. Luke Knott should have started. What in hell was Wally Burnham thinking? UNI scored TD's on their first 3 possessions. That set the tone and laid the foundation for the whole debacle.
IMO, what will happen is that the adjustments and changes will be done privately. There will be changes made. CPR was just as unhappy as the rest of us. But you never fire coaches the first game into a season. A head coach would never get the players or the coaches that he recruits or wishes to hire. What is next? Do we kick certain players off the team one game into the season for their totally inept play? Hell no. You privately make your changes and say very little publicly. Public humiliation may feel good in the short term. But in the long term the over reaction and the immature response of a public firing after the first game of the football season with a very young football team look like complete desperation.
Probably pretty safe to say that those wanting heads to roll after game one are not owners or managers of any kind of business.
The Defense played atrociously. And a lot of that had a lot to do with totally inadequate play from the linebackers in particular. Luke Knott should have started. What in hell was Wally Burnham thinking? UNI scored TD's on their first 3 possessions. That set the tone and laid the foundation for the whole debacle.
IMO, what will happen is that the adjustments and changes will be done privately. There will be changes made. CPR was just as unhappy as the rest of us. But you never fire coaches the first game into a season. A head coach would never get the players or the coaches that he recruits or wishes to hire. What is next? Do we kick certain players off the team one game into the season for their totally inept play? Hell no. You privately make your changes and say very little publicly. Public humiliation may feel good in the short term. But in the long term the over reaction and the immature response of a public firing after the first game of the football season with a very young football team look like complete desperation.
Probably pretty safe to say that those wanting heads to roll after game one are not owners or managers of any kind of business.
